Osama Bin Laden Is Dead

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

My point is that while Americans are an easy target for criticism, they've contributed a lot (a lot of lives) to help us build a free, democratic Europe and that's why I find the constant bashing of them odd, because in many ways they are like us, so it's like criticising ourselves.

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In many ways also Russians are like us. The Muslims aren't that different either. Also there are many kinds of Americans, many kinds of Russians, many kinds Muslims and many kinds of us.

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Originally Posted by schmenke

That is very naïve 555.

Religion is not a factor.

US policy is to suppress volatility in parts of the world that threaten both their safety, and more importantly, economic stability.

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Hmmm,under the Taliban regime heroin production was 0%,Us invades Afghanistan ousts the Taliban.Aftermath,heroin production;120% of the worlds demand.
Mission accomplished,replace the radicals with a bunch of Pablo Escobars.

Talk about being NAIVE

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

My point is that while Americans are an easy target for criticism, they've contributed a lot (a lot of lives) to help us build a free, democratic Europe and that's why I find the constant bashing of them odd, because in many ways they are like us, so it's like criticising ourselves.

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I very much agree with your sentiments. There is so much specifically to admire about America and Americans. However, I hope we would feel able to be critical of any nation whose policies we object to, gratitude towards them for past actions notwithstanding.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

However, I hope we would feel able to be critical of any nation whose policies we object to, gratitude towards them for past actions notwithstanding.

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I agree.

We are lucky that we have the freedom to criticise our friends and allies, and that is a point many here don't understand. These freedoms come at a price, normally paid in people. By all means discuss and criticise, but understand how we have retained the ability to do so.

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Originally Posted by JackSparrow

Hmmm,under the Taliban regime heroin production was 0%,Us invades Afghanistan ousts the Taliban.Aftermath,heroin production;120% of the worlds demand.
Mission accomplished,replace the radicals with a bunch of Pablo Escobars.

Talk about being NAIVE

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Why am I naïve?

What does Taliban opium production have to do with the invasion of Iraq, or more to the point, the post that you quoted?

Besides, the US did not invade Afganistan, a coalition of several nations did.

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Originally Posted by schmenke

Why am I naïve?
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Because the US doesn't give 2 sh*** about other countries freedoms,prosperities etc.They need wars to fuel their huge military monster and make money while at it. Can you imagine the military machine collecting dust?
How many people throughout the world see the US soldiers as "liberators"?

If the government is concerned for "safety" they need to stay out of other people's business. But why do so when you can brainwash people with wild theories of WMD's, Axis of Evil and other BS.

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Originally Posted by JackSparrow

Because the US doesn't give 2 sh*** about other countries freedoms,prosperities etc.They need wars to fuel their huge military monster and make money while at it. Can you imagine the military machine collecting dust?
How many people throughout the world see the US soldiers as "liberators"?

If the government is concerned for "safety" they need to stay out of other people's business. But why do so when you can brainwash people with wild theories of WMD's, Axis of Evil and other BS.

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So what's any of that got to do with my post that you quoted?
Why didn't you just post your opinion without resorting to calling me naive?

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

You obviously haven't read your history books. Germany would have lost the war to Russia in any case.

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Hmm.... I admit I have poor knowledge but on the other hand in history books we can find the events and facts that had happened. What could have happened are only suppositions. Alliances between countries can come overnight due to the national interest and can change what we think it's granted..
Anyway I don't think that ever in history an european country could conquer the whole continent, not to mention that it's not a rule that a conquered country is forced to adopt the language of the conquerer. Russian language wasn't compulsory even in the communist block.

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Originally Posted by schmenke

Besides, the US did not invade Afganistan, a coalition of several nations did.

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And guns don't kill, people do.

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Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo

Hmm.... I admit I have poor knowledge but on the other hand in history books we can find the events and facts that had happened. What could have happened are only suppositions. Alliances between countries can come overnight due to the national interest and can change what we think it's granted..
Anyway I don't think that ever in history an european country could conquer the whole continent, not to mention that it's not a rule that a conquered country is forced to adopt the language of the conquerer. Russian language wasn't compulsory even in the communist block.

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Yes it was, Estonians,for example had to study Russian. This is bit offtopic and I'm not interested in continuing this discussion with somebody who really doesn't know what he is talking about. No offense, honestly.

Back to the topic, now that Palin woman is demanding that the pictures of Osama should be made public. I bet she couldn't even pinpoint Pakistan on the map.