Rally History (part II)

To complete my previous message here the paper of 73. Holmes said it was the 6th Rallye International TAP. He was wrong !

Thanks for the research Jorge!

Do they also mention the edition number in the 1980s or 1990s? I'm still curious to find why Holmes has got different editions, he must have got it from somewhere...

Anyway, it looks like I'll have to correct this information RallyBase :D

Tjeerd,

When the rally started to be called 'Rallye de Portugal - Vinho do Porto' they omitted the editions in the papers. I have not here the book but that is how I remember it !

regards
jorge

We in the UK were told about TAP rally as a "new" rally for 1968, so I guess Holmes (like me, at the time a member of Sutton and Cheam Motor Club) just assumed it was the first version!

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Originally Posted by FAL

Toyota entrant was "Team Toyota" with the address of Toyota GB. Rorhl and Kullang were "Opel Euro Handler Team" with the address being Russelheim (same entrant of Opels as on 1976 RAC). Carlsson was "Dealer Opel Team Holland" and Danielsson was "Dealer Opel Team" (the UK operation of Tony Fall).
But it gets even more complicated....

The Ford entry of John Taylor/Phil Short was "Haynes of Maidstone" and I think by then they built their own cars (so this is not recorded by Robson as a works-built Ford on this rally) although it would have been serviced partly under the Ford "umbrella".
The contemporary event report refers to 3 works Ford entries only. (Ford in UK were of course also funding the Group 1 RS2000s of Malclom Wilson and Graham Elsmore in addition to the other cars mentioned above).

As for Fiat, the event report refers to 6 works entries, 4 from Olio Fiat "in the blue and yellow colours" and 2 from Autonovo "in the black and white colours of the Chequered Flag".
There was a 7th Fiat actually entered by The Chequered Flag (Garage) for Billy Coleman/Dave Richards. This was an ex-works car that was in the UK throughout 1977 for the Brtish Championship.
BUT... I have now seen a photo of the Lampinen car on the 77 RAC and it is NOT in the Olio Fiat colours but carries "Fiat UK" and "The Chequered Flag". The Lampinen car on the provisional entry list I have was one of the Olio Fiat entries not Autonovo.
There was also of course one Stratos for Munari ("Lancia/Alitalia" but with the address of Lancia England) and I see Lancia attempted to obtain a late entry for Darniche too but this was corrrectly refused as there was already a long list of reserves (this is interesting for me as I co-drove the very last private entry that actually made it into the rally from the reserve list!).

Obviously Fiat UK (and The Chequerd Flag Garage - Graham Warner a dealer that sold the more "sporting" Fiats and Lancias in the UK - were a major source of funding for this large Fiat entry. What I cannot remember is whether Fiat had already won the Manufacturers WRC by the time of the RAC (Waldegard was first drivers champion?). If so, maybe they were going to withdraw all entries and it was only money from Fiat UK that brought them to this RAC?
What I also cannot remember is seeing any of the works cars on the event itself (I was running at the back) and the only magazine photo I can find is the Lampinen one - so I don't know the actual colours of the others.
(and no, I dont have such details for other 77 WRC events - I wasn't entered on them!)

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Hi kaps & fal. My name is paul batten i am australian mechanic i started out with chequered flag in74 with stratos , fiat,rothmans ford opel,david sutton
ford audi,borham ford,audi r6 finished in 86 to south africa run opel dealer team gm. I was called a mercenary as if team was short i would go but worked manly with david richards as we become mates at flag.All of what you are taking about i was there.I have heeps of photos rally plates road books posters of this erer? hope i can help at any time Regards Paul.

Hi Paul - and welcome!
(Your name sounds familiar to me but I probably knew most people only by sight rather than by name throughout that period). I was mainly co-driving then driving in that period but was often in service crews earlier - and would have been hovering to take the roadside spots as soon as your teams moved on. Most of the guys here are heavily into results/records but I do try and drift off into annecdotes from that period whenever possible! Pentti Arikkala posts regularly elsewhere on the forum with some crazy stories but we haven't got him on to this thread yet. Tim who used to work on the Tony Maslen hire cars in Belgium etc. is around on another forum. I'm sure it would be useful to know roughly which years you were with which teams so people know when to ask for info on which makes. Does the timescale you mentioned put you in S. Africa when Mick Jones was runing the RS1700T there?
For rally plates, there is a major thread on a French forum which started out on early rally plates but has moved into the 70s and 80s:
http://www.forum-auto.com/sport-auto...378146-280.htm

Hi fal
mick left the year i started with gm we had drivers Tony Pond , Jimmy Mcrae,
jocky Klient,Sorry i just went through my papers i was there 83 to 85 .When in 84 i went to opel Ruesselheim which was under Tony Fall and built rear wheel drive Kadett to go back to SA. After i came back to UK working at borham with John Taylor on europ group A cars. In74 75 with flag worked on stratos & fiat I went to torino built the car for rac the car comes out of factory wheeled on a trolley just shell there were many small garages around factory that built all the range of cars after rac with CF fiat & olio Fiats i ran team out of Fiat UK with Fouse mad Italian & John Spiller and i worked together from there did UAE rallys with jimmy/Ian Grimshore & Al hajri / John Spiller All rothmans Daid Richards ran it.You talked about building out of factory the bodys were simler to fiat would come from Matter then farmed out i built one with Hainbach for Al Hajri/spiller for rally of the pharaohs in 82.
Sorry going round world on dates here i have got all my lounge covered in paper work memory not that good? Some of people i worked with next time my one finger is worn out as people might remeber me know I lost couple fingers .Regards PEB

Wonder if anybody can help? Where can I find online stage times for the 1985 Tour de Corse and were the Rothmans Porsche entries (Beguin & Coleman) works cars or Prodrive (or both)?

Noel

Someone knows.......


18 giugno 1970
Bulgaria

1° Rally Zlatni Piassatzi
Start: Zlatni Piassatzi
Finish: Zlatni Piassatzi

km. ????
groups 1-2-3-4
national rally

Results:
1. Reiner Altenheimer - Elena Koller (Porsche 911)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

first edition

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10 giugno 1971
Bulgaria

2° Rally Zlatni Piassatzi
Start: Zlatni Piassatzi
Finish: Zlatni Piassatzi

km. 2093
groups 1-2-3-4
national rally

Results:
1. Ilia Tchoubrikov - Kolio Tchoubrikov (Renault Alpine A110 1600)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

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23 giugno 1972
Bulgaria

3° Rally Zlatni Piassatzi
Start: Zlatni Piassatzi
Finish: Zlatni Piassatzi

km. 2050
groups 1-2-3-4
international rally

Results:
1. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

Thanks in advance

Giorgio

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