Pajari testing it ...
https://youtu.be/nMOsJRLVNTE?si=-DfQMZ93m_Uo_0pe
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Pajari testing it ...
https://youtu.be/nMOsJRLVNTE?si=-DfQMZ93m_Uo_0pe
Yes it does but like Eddie said before you, they're not competing. It's not a useful comparison to worry on.Quote:
Originally Posted by spyros
Ogier doesnt seem too keen to continue, although he hasn't tested the new car yet...
“The cars are taking a step backwards. The most important thing is to have a strong field and close battles with as many drivers as possible in the top category. Technically, the cars are less inspiring than the current ones. Few drivers will have anything positive to say about them,” Ogier said.
https://rallyjournal.com/end-in-sigh...ut-retirement/
Like he ever wanted to have a strong field. His most titles came when he haven't got so much direct competition. Kalle and Tanak break that, then he starts compete only "half" programmes. Then Neuville step up, Evans became very strong, Solberg this year and is a matter of time when Pajari and Fourmaux will be strong candidates for titles too. I don't know when WRC had such a strong field the last time. Yes, of xourse Kalle and Tanak left, but still have a feeling they will came back.
Thierry Neuville highly sceptical about the future of the WRC...
“As a driver, you always want more. We want cars that make both drivers and fans dream. On that front, I’m not convinced the future technical regulations are compelling."
“I don’t think we will see new manufacturers – perhaps a few private teams entering with a car developed in their own garage. Is this the future of the WRC? I’m not sure."
https://rallyjournal.com/thierry-neu...re-of-the-wrc/
Tom Folwer on the WRC27 Test...
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/solbe...oogle_vignette
More Pajari in the car:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DWOXU...R4d3Jodjk4bDdo
Me thinks there's better chance to see Tanak building a RedGrey WRC27 then even driving a RedGrey WRC27 over driving for anybody else.Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
Maybe odd events but can't see Rovanpera doing full seasons again.
Possibility that nobody does full seasons.
He didn't have much competition because he is the GOAT. Tanak and Kalle were lucky he went to drive the shitroen, and retired for some time.Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
Ogier is lucky that Tänak made the worst decision of all time in WRC when he left Toyota and joined Hyundai. This gave him opportunity at first place to join Toyota and collect more titles.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Ogier competition when he won every title:
-2008 (JWRC)
-1. Ogier - 42pt
-2. Burkart - 34pt
-3. Prokop - 32pt
Also there was Abbring on 13th place.
-2013:
-1. Ogier - 290pt
-2. Neuville - 176pt
-3. Latvala - 162pt
Loeb was there only for 4 events, there was Evans on 12th place.
-2014:
-1. Ogier - 267pt
-2. Latvala - 218pt
-3. Mikkelsen - 150pt
Neuville 6th, Meeke 7th, Evans 8th, Tanak 15th
-2015:
-1. Ogier - 263pt
-2. Latvala - 183pt
-3. Mikkelsen - 171pt
Meeke - 5th, Neuville 6th, Evans 7th, Tanak 10th, Loeb only one event
-2016:
-1. Ogier - 268pt
-2. Neuville - 160pt
-3. Mikkelsen - 154pt
Latvala ended on 6th place, Tanak 8th, Meeke 9th, Evans on 21th
-2017:
-1. Ogier - 232pt
-2. Neuville - 208pt
-3. Tanak - 191pt
Latvala 4th, Evans 5th, Meeke 7th, Mikkelsen didn't drive whole season - ended on 12th place
-2018:
-1. Ogier - 219pt
-2. Neuville - 201pt
-3. Tanak - 181pt
Latvala 4th, Mikkelsen 6th, Evans 7th, Loeb drove three events, Meeke 14th, Rovanpera 22th
-2020:
-1. Ogier - 122pt
-2. Evans - 114pt
-3. Tanak - 105pt
Neuville 4th, Rovanpera 5th, Loeb drove only 2 events, Solberg 17th
-2021:
-1. Ogier - 230pt
-2. Evans - 207pt
-3. Neuville - 176pt
Rovanpera 4th, Tanak 5th, Solberg 13th
-2025:
-1. Ogier - 293pt
-2. Evans - 289pt
-3. Rovanpera - 256pt
Tanak 4th, Neuville 5th, Solberg 9th.
Of course there was VW factor, absolute dominant force in his prime years, but when they left he struggle at Ford and still won, then in Citroen he wasn't good and Tanak was the first non-french driver who break french dominance in WRC over those years. He was then in Toyota and we look closely that all those drivers did step up their game and it became very difficult for Ogier to clearly won titles, so I'm sure he starts doing it part time because of that and not solely because his family. If he wanted that, he would retire already. Of course he is GOAT, but still... If there were 4-5 title contenders in field or those who already won it (Latvala, Loeb, Mikkelsen, Meeke, and all those who are here today), he would not have that easy job. Probably he would win it most, but not all that he did. In last two years the opportunity came, because everyone seems step down in adaption for hybridless cars and his part time races (which in my opinion hedid well). There was also factor he grab the opportunity to not be the first on road. So he is a GOAT but is playing very dirty and I think that he will want to contest in this new cars, at least for a year or two. And I think he is hungry for 10th title which nobody probably will ever beat that record.
I wouldn't say he wasn't good in Citroën in 2019, the car was simply fragile shit, yet he was able to take multiple wins.
You're way off topic lads.
Back to the WRC27... Toyota has back-to-back tested vs the Yaris Rally2:
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/toyot...r-with-rally2/
Fragile? Ogier had 0 DNFs in 2019 due to technical trouble. Only technical problems were 2 times broken powersteering, in a whole season (which of course was enough to make Ogier and his wife rage). C3 WRC wasn't slow nor unreliable, it was difficult to drive and setup, everything else is revisionism to excuse Ogier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenneth
Yes, sorry for the OT.
Neuville has stepped up since Ogier went part time? He has only won 7 events since end 2021. 2017-covid he was class.Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
https://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/...ship/10808070/
Not currently WRC related but it's something. Subaru making new car for Japan rallying.
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/toyot...r-with-rally2/
Interesting comments from Fowler.
Fowler continued: “I’m pretty sure that everybody’s expecting that we’re the ones doing the new car. And a new [car] is always faster, right? Therefore, everything’s done and dusted and easy… but when I look at our job list of what we have to achieve before Monte Carlo with the 2027 car, it would be much easier just to rock up there with a Rally2 car that we already did.”
Toyota won’t be doing that. Toyota’s vision is longer-term and goes beyond what’s being talked of as a transition year before more constructors and manufacturers arriving with 2027-specification cars in 2028.
Speaking of Neuville... he doesnt know his future but it seems he does want to continue after this year:
“The desire would be to continue. The championship probably does not want well-known drivers to jump ship. In my opinion, they need them because they bring a certain level of recognition. Rebuilding a championship with ‘unknown’ drivers would be even more difficult.”
More:
https://rallyjournal.com/will-thierr...o-idea-at-all/
Rumours about RMC build a WRC27 FIAT based.
Looks quite like the Toyota WRC27 test car, particularly the roof line.Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
Pardon my ignorance but who’s RMC?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
I don't think it's a real renderQuote:
Originally Posted by Steve Boyd
It was shown during the reveal by Subaru, but still it is just a render.
https://www.rallyplus.net/121222
Oh okay, thanks for correcting me
Should be RMC Motosport. It's a Spanish motorsport engineering firm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
What's the FIAT base? They don't have a homologated Rally2 engine - though I understood that wasn't necessary. And it's now the question why would FIAT approach RMC, not the other way around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
You don't understand the WRC27 rules yet. Who says the engine need be FIAT?
Yes, RMC of Roberto Mendez.
Btw, they annouced that will not produce more models of N5 (different shapes).
Apologies for my curiosity and/or difficult question.
Much like Prospeed reached Skoda to get parts for their WRC27, RMC can knock on Stellantis' door to get parts for a FIAT (or whatever) based car.
It's a bit like F1.
Thanks Pedro.
Story about the "project rally one"
https://www.parcferme.no/vi-prover-a...vanlige/223051
Allready did some basic testing, a "spectacular" looking design is close to finish, testing starts in june.
They aming to build 12-15 cars for sale a year, also do monte carlo to prove the cars abilities for byers.
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Toyota prototype on tarmac
https://youtu.be/j2RS8D0kTs4?si=b83p49T6v9KbQm4M
Dont be too worried about the look of the new Toyota...
Their Head of Engineering Kevin Struyf:
“It's just a prototype rally car at the moment,” he said. “In 2027 the regulation changed for the first time in rally where the body is quite open, so the choice of the manufacturer is not really clear where we want to go, so it's just a base mule car, a prototype car.
“A lot of people get excited about some model, but there is nothing about any model at the moment, it's just a prototype.
“Basically, we are continuing the development of the mule car that we have seen in Portugal, and the car will continue to do some tests this month [April].
"Quite soon, another chassis is in the build, and we will test a bit more, let's say, the final model, because the problem is that there were some technical elements that weren't super clear or super defined by the FIA when we started development."
I think this is a good comparison.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...2451255c9f.jpg
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Yup and back then only Lancia had a competitive car. Now there are 5 at the more or less same level, with new Toyota, Prospeed and probably few more private efforts on the horizon.
Kankkunen is right. Everybody loved the Group Bs, but they were literally killing the Sport and had to go. Rally 1s are great as cars,but they're figuratively doing the same thing to WRC. And this time, WRC doesn't have to wait for Toyota to get on top of reliability issues or Ford to figure out how 4WD + Turbo works for a fully competitive field from the go...
The difference in the 80s was way bigger - going from Gr B absolute monsters to the Delta HF, Mazda 323 and Audi 100 !!
Ofc WRC27 wont kill the sport, but it'll just kill a bit of the thrill going from the extreme to the ordinary.
Rally2 cars and WRC27 will be monsters in hands of top drivers, since the stakes will be high and it will be exciting. Maybe event or two and we probably won't see any difference. Also there is a fact that Rally2 cars are way more beautiful than current cars. Hope that WRC27 will go similar direction in styling.
I'm afraid that Kankkunen doesn't take one fact into account. Back in the 80s there was a great enthusiasm for cars, they were considered cool, and manufacturers were joining motorsport willingly. Will it be the same now, when the whole automotive market is considered almost "evil" by all those leftist / eco maniacs?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Plus the 1980s rally fan-base was massive and many of them stayed with the sport after being hooked by the Gr B cars, even after they were banned.
Still clinging on to that hope Jarek?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z