Well, yes, but then we have crew no. 11....Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
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Well, yes, but then we have crew no. 11....Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Is that a fact?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Mirek, armchair general this is not opinion...Physical training is good for BRAIN function and to reduce the perception of stress..Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
CARs are not physically demanding compared to some REAL manly sports.
But STRESS---specially the individual's subjective perception of stress IS a real thing..
If as has been the trend for a lobf time now, they recruit young boys who are from privileged background to " bring up" in the sport...I mean just look at them when tmany begin the sport..They're soft children....
They NEED something physically hard to do so in the mind they have something to compare the NORMAL pressure and stress of rally to something.
Doing all that gym and running in their mind "was hard" so "mere stress" seems less hard...
You can be armchair general, and an engineer....I did harder sport...then did rally..Rally was nothing hard..Good laugh..
(everything is relative..when I retired and come back to Amerika I get to do my real love---on motorcycles --before I do rally. Fun was defined as 300km in the mountains on narrow skinny little trails banging over 10000 rocks and bouncing off of 100 trees in one day..Then 16km --5 laps---around extra long mx track..
That was fun!... One day.. WRC guys sit in nice car and do 300km SS over 3 days..a slight relative difference...
it is STRESS the physical training is for.
Oh, so the wrc drivers looking kind of tired at the end of longer stages on hot gravel rallies is just the stress. Good to know.
* starts searching for the "manly-oh-meter" *
what was the name of the 60 years old French gentleman driver with 307WRC that used to beat works Fords on some tarmac events (I think in Bulgaria)? that was about 10 years ago
Mental difficult task are physically exhaustings.
The thing with rallying is that it's not one stage, the crew is busy and has to remain focussed all day. Janvanpuura is not wrong, but he needs to call it exhaustion instead of stress.
It's like walking 80km, it's never not difficult because the speed's to high, it's difficult because it takes so long.
Being old is not a physical problem. The level of fitness required in the wrc can be achieved by a 60 year old. It's a problem of the mind. As you get older your reactions get slower, and there's nothing you can do about it.
For a codriver its doesn't matter that much, because they don't need to react in milliseconds.
I am just curious if anybody here has tested their own reactions as they have aged?Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
See, everybody talks about 'fast reactions' and how younger guys supposedly have "fast reactions"...
But nobody ever puts any numbers to it... ever...
And nobody puts a number to what "normal" reaction is, and how much "faster reaction" is "needed" compared to a base line of "normal" reactions..
And then there are those --like me---who believe --or rather know---that "fast" reactions are trained in.
And that the whole (amateur) discussion --which may be true to some (quantified) degree ignores totally the role of experience, and that you do need "super fast" reactions if you don't get yourself into situations where fast reactions are needed..Experience counts
This is fun testhttp://www.loltimeplayed.com/reactionresults.php
Your reaction speed is 262ms
117,862 players have taken the test*. The mean reaction time of all players is 285 ms and the mean age is 19.7
Q Is there a correlation between reaction speed and ability? YES
Now last few days I have been helping a friend move his rally prep and cage building shop..Long 10-12 hours days, TONS of equipent loaded and moved and unloaded..TONS of jumk scrapped..21 years in that shop and he is a pack-rat.
I am tired, and have not had a cup of tea in 8 hours...I have eaten 1 orange and 2 apples..so hungry..Low energy..
But somehow I beat the mean reaction time of nerdy game players with an average age of 19.7 years...
I turned 65 last December...
Last year when perkier and a recent cigarette I did test 20 times and that day averaged between .181 and .200 milliseconds stomping the sh!t out of the two 18/19 year old boys who were telling me why the driver had "exceptional" reaction times..(yeah exceptionally SLOW!!! averaged .360 milliseconds.
Reaction times, like nearly everything else, is largely learned and then reinforced by practice. It is largely what the US Navy "Top Gun School" calls a "highly perishable skill"
All you guys here are fans in one degree or another. let's see what reaction times you have..Follow the link, take the test, post results.
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Originally Posted by mknight
Did I say "just" stress? No I didn't. I said largely...
Do you understand the relative comparisons I mentioned?
Tell me all your active motorsport activities from 15 to now so I can better understand your opinion...
because I repeated that "everything is relative"...
Dany SnobeckQuote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
i think you're not getting it.Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
yes, reactions can be trained. yes, a 65 year old can have faster reactions than the average 20 year old.
but, at age 65 you will never be able to train your reactions to be as fast as you would have been able at age 20.
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Originally Posted by Barreis
its either not snobeck, or Barreis's memory is wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ucci
snobeck has in his 40 years career only 2 times competed outside france. only once in his 307, in spain 2009.
It's not just the fact that Mills is 54, more that he has also been out of top level competition for so long.
But for just one event maybe his adrenalin will get him through ok ...
and here he is, looks already tired :p
https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...40&oe=5B6C59CC
Mills: "What have I done!!??"
Nah I'm sure he'll be fine. Professional guy. Nice to see him back and all the best to them.
Pierre Budar, Citroën's new sports director, welcomes us at the team's headquarters in Versailles and tells us about his concerns. After the departure of Yves Matton to the FIA, this engineer, who was also a pilot, has taken the reins of the French formation.
How do you see the World Rally Championship after three races?
The difference of points in the championship of marks is very closed. In each rally the four cars that compete have won sections, which shows the great equality there is. We just have to wait for the fight to last until the end.
They got a podium in Mexico, but above all, they had great prominence with the return of Sebastien Loeb.
The starting order favored Loeb in the first stage, but I prefer that in the second, when he was positioned just like his rivals, he was also ahead. In Corsica it will hurt to be delayed, especially if it rains in the first stage. Last year the car went very well, and Loeb feels comfortable at the wheel. He likes how he goes on asphalt and has only made some adjustments in the adjustments to adapt it to his riding.
Do you think you could increase your number of shares? Are you going to convince him to do a complete program next year?
This year's program is three participations and that will not change. It would be a dream to have Loeb in 2019. But it's something I do not think we'll talk about until the end of the Rally of Spain. I do not think I want to do a complete program, because, among other things, some rallies do not want to go. His return has been good for the sport. It's a legend, and it's fine to get it back, but I think it's more important to look for new legends among young drivers.
Will it be a priority for Citroën to recover Ogier?
It is still early to talk about the market. Of course we are going to work on it, but we still do not know if Sebastien will decide to retire at the end of the season, or if he wants to continue.
Could I go back Sordo? Is there a chance that Sainz will run a rally with Citroën?
We know Sordo well and we appreciate him. It's on our list, but I've already said it's still early to talk about the market. Regarding Carlos, the truth is that it is not in our programming.
Until when the continuity of Citroën in the World Cup is assured?
The program will last between three and five years, and we are in the second. Our continuity will depend on many things, for example the regulation. You have to get more brands, or at least not leave any of the four. I do not believe that the future is electric vehicles, but we must offer brands an appetizing championship for their technologies. There are very expensive aspects, such as tests. A test day can cost up to 100,000 euros, and we have 55 per year.
https://as.com/motor/2018/03/31/mas_...o_rsoc=comp_tw
Sorry but I think it is you who are getting lost and fixating on one little thing which amateurs love to obsess on...Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
I said that the physical training for rallydrivers---and those girly-boys who keep to asfalt in F1 is primarily to make the guys MINDS stronger to deal with stress, because the physical strength demands are very low compared or relatif to some other motosports..
I really don't think that can be seriously debated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOcDL35YAOw&t=570s
I think its fairly obvious that the physical requirements for the guys in that video above are orders of magnitude higher to do that for 35+ minutes than a rallydriver doing a 10-15 minute SS in a car with servo steering, nice little gearchange, and huge brakes, and no shower of rock peppering him ...
The bike guys still have the mental stress--lines, gearchange, position, etc that a rally driver does, but on top of that extremely hard WORK...and 30 or 35 guys ALL with equipment as good as what you have....
Or as I suggested some guys do this nearly nonstop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_0TcICyDCo
drive 300km in the woods in one day versus over 3 days and call it fun.. I did when I retired and before I did rally.
One can be a rally fan, sure but is it required to pretend that it is physically the hardest motorsport and requires unusual 'strength"?
I have done the motocross (professionally), long hard enduros in my early 30s for fun (did pretty good too) and when I got old and beat up, and tired of being wet and cold--then I did gravel rally....It seemed to me a natural progression from harder to easier as I got older..
That is why I asked about all the competition you have done..looking for some common ground to assist in both of us understanding..and to see if your opinion is from reading or actual doing it...
(and yes my reactions are slower now but they are still faster than 19-20 year old "gamers"...and yesterday I was very tired after loading and unloading TONs in the last several days...Did you take the test? et le resultat? )
Don't forget that he is an International level shooter. The stress, mind control and reaction time in trap shooting is of the highest order.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Just tried it three times, slowest was the first run at 0.248 2nd run 0.201, 3rd run 0.206. I guess my reactions are still quick enough to take my RS2000 out for the occasional outing on gravel.Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
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Originally Posted by Mk2 RS2000
I don't know...we have been told you cannot have reactions like a 19 year old...and that's much better than most 19 year old kids<<
You better check with an expert..
you may be quick enough to take your RS 2000,but we dont know if you quick enough against jan with the volvo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mk2 RS2000
i bet 2 beers to jan .
Great news!
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Originally Posted by dimviii
What Volvo_?
my cars are a MIGHTY Saab 96 with a motor ++and a shell way better than they used 'back in the ´day' (we have loose rules) and a group N and a 1/2 4x4 Ford Cosworth 4x4 (getting converted BACK to RWD)..And me against an NedZedder in an Escort??????? YIKES!!!!!
I'm fawked!:arrows:
Perhaps both of us are like good wine, we have improved with age, either that or the test is very flattering and kind to us when we enter our age.Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
FIA ended Power Stage strategy with new rule : "No start at time no bonus Points" ► http://bit.ly/2q4nlVc
Changing the rules mid season is a 'no-no' unless for safety reasons...... but it's not the first or last time from the FiA.
What makes this change so wrong? All drivers should have had a chance to be late on purpose for PS during the season?Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
oh no if Eddie now sees this....
I think everybody should expect that FIA will made this change. They are stupid they didnt think about it before...Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
You will be very pleased to read FIA's explanation that it is indeed for safety reasonsQuote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
This will take place with immediate effect for safety reasons. ...
https://www.fia.com/news/wrc-decisio...out-powerstage
Pfff safety reasons? Ahah television deals
LOL, technically the safety reasons are off course correct. Even though we all know that TV and "sporting" reasons are as much or move important.
Anyway strictly speaking this change should have been done at the same time powerstage points were introduced (2014). That it took so long before someone exploited this is actually quite amazing.
I hope that this isn't the wording they used in the actual regulation. "In the given order" seems subject to abuse as if one driver does it out of order, he will have an influence on the order of others therefore potentially denying others of PS points. For example, assume that the "given order" was drivers A, B, C, D, E. If driver B goes late and fits in between D & E, then the new order is A, C, D, B, E. Of the 5 drivers here, none of them have the same driver in front and behind them as they did in the original order. Sure the FIA will have worked this out but you never know!Quote:
Originally Posted by KiwiWRCfan
seems like the order is clear enoughQuote:
Originally Posted by greencroft
13.3 contains various clauses related to Power Stage
"13.3.3 Details of the running of the stage must be included in the Supplementary regulations.
The start order for the Power Stage for all crews which will be covered by Live-TV will be communicated by the Clerk of the Course in the regroup preceding the Power Stage"
Just that 3 drivers have gained championship points from exploiting the weakness of that rule, changing the rule (even a change to what it probably should have been all along) essentially gives them an unfair advantage because other drivers now won't have the opportunity to gain points in the same way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hartusvuori
From the FIA perspective that is obviously the lesser of two evils when compared with letting drivers/teams carry on with those antics for the rest of the season though.
This new formulation in regulations is stupid. I dont understand why they do it like amateurs... It should be very simple - any penalty in TC before power stage or at the start means no points from Power Stage. Easy way...Quote:
Originally Posted by greencroft
Apparently there aren't too many running to the barricades shouting for the cheaters to be stripped of all points and banned for the rest of the season for unsportsmanlike behaviour.Quote:
Originally Posted by GravelBen
No matter how, at least now the mess is sort of sorted.
Whatever happened about M-Sport's appeal of the PS time penalty in Mexico ?
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is he retiring ?Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
https://www.motorsport-news.co.uk/ne...e-in-2019-wrc/
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