Is global warming/climate change a crock?

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Originally Posted by Blancvino

I am sure global warming is real but I will stand on my belief it is not caused by primarily by man UNTIL there is REAL proof. Real proof that I suspect never materializes.

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What would you consider to be real proof? What do you feel is missing from what has been said already?

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Originally Posted by RaikkonenRules

I am with the global warming not existing clan. I personally believe that it won't be the end of us and even if it does exist I think it will only cause another ice age which we survived the last time.

Only this morning I had a debate with some classmates at school about global warming existing and I was shocked by the amount of people that had allowed themselves to be brainwashed by the ecologists. :eek:

People, stop trying to save the world because about 99% of people that can actually make the slightest difference have better, more important things to worry about. ;)

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Why do you feel it's a case of 'brainwashing'? What is there about the science that you doubt, and on what grounds?

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

What would you consider to be real proof? What do you feel is missing from what has been said already?

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a good explanation of what caused the previous "warm ups" in the planet and why this couldn't one of those cases

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Originally Posted by jso1985

a good explanation of what caused the previous "warm ups" in the planet and why this couldn't one of those cases

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But again, I must ask whether you seriously think that the scientists who have concluded that global warming is to blame for climate change would be so dumb as to ignore this factor in their calculations.

I never said global warming isn't to blame for the climate change!

what I still doubt is if it's man caused or not

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Originally Posted by tinchote

But then, they won't mention at all those areas in the Artic which are cooler than usual, and with more ice. I have Inuit friends, and for the last two years the yearly ice retreat in the Summer, at their hometown, has been way slower than what they are used to. When you find the melting in the Artic mentioned, and these phenomena not mentioned at all, you are in presence of an agenda.

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As I already said... GW observations are based on looking at the OVERALL picture... NOT local variations.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

What would you consider to be real proof? What do you feel is missing from what has been said already?

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Interesting you latched onto my sckepticism and request for proof when I offered 2 examples of how science got it wrong regarding other maters. I believe GW is real. Did you get that point? It's the root causes of GW I have trouble with. I only want to see some empirical or direct evidence of what part of GW is caused naturally. That is missing from EVERY hypothesis I have EVER read.

I can and will become a believer if there is indisputable proof GW is a caused primarily by man.

Fair enough?

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Originally Posted by Blancvino

Interesting you latched onto my sckepticism and request for proof when I offered 2 examples of how science got it wrong regarding other maters. I believe GW is real. Did you get that point? It's the root causes of GW I have trouble with. I only want to see some empirical or direct evidence of what part of GW is caused naturally. That is missing from EVERY hypothesis I have EVER read.

I can and will become a believer if there is indisputable proof GW is a caused primarily by man.

Fair enough?

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Sorry — I was asking what you'd consider to be real proof while bearing your belief in global warming in mind. Apologies if that wasn't clear.

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Originally Posted by CharlieJ

As I already said... GW observations are based on looking at the OVERALL picture... NOT local variations.

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The overall picture is that the World's average temperature is up. But every time you read about GW they mention the melting in the Artic, the melting in the Alps, the starving polar bears, etc. There is nothing "overall" about that, so why wouldn't I mention examples that don't follow the supposed trend.

And I also keep asking: we are being told that there is an increase in episodes of "extreme weather". What are exactly the statistics supporting that assertion? How precise is the data of the "extreme weather" of a few decades ago?

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Originally Posted by tinchote

The overall picture is that the World's average temperature is up. But every time you read about GW they mention the melting in the Artic, the melting in the Alps, the starving polar bears, etc. There is nothing "overall" about that, so why wouldn't I mention examples that don't follow the supposed trend.

And I also keep asking: we are being told that there is an increase in episodes of "extreme weather". What are exactly the statistics supporting that assertion? How precise is the data of the "extreme weather" of a few decades ago?

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It has been recorded that both the thickness and total area of Arctic ice is deceasing year on year.

There are very accurate weather records for most of the planet for the last century and a half.

http://www.heatisonline.org/weather.cfm

http://environment.independent.co.uk...cle2901009.ece