Ferrari/McLaren Espionage Story [merged]

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Originally Posted by ioan

So who wrote this???



You could simply stick to your own words.

Now, if you don't mind I have nothing more to add to our discussion about this subject. See you in another thread.

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Here's your reply to the said quote by Flat.tyre, notice that it was you who brought up theFerrari/violence connection, not Stepney, not Flat.tyres

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Originally Posted by ioan

That's what he said in his interview Saturday, who knows if he is really in danger.
Or do you think that Ferrari would try to harm him now when everything is public, if that was their aim they could have done it before starting elagl procedures against him?

He is just trying to picture himself as the victim in this scenario, and some actually believe him!

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Flat.tyres, i suggest you take ioan's last post a a sincere apology, that's as close as he can bend to make one. :p :

This may be a forum record. Usually somewhere within 15 pages is something of fact related to the title thread itself. In these 15 pages is nothing other than speculation, though some through links of other sources.


For all we know the entire thing was done because of a drunken bet as a joke. :laugh:

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Ferrari's action is being taken against Coughlan and his wife Trudy Coughlan, who is now alleged to have taken the 780-page Ferrari document at the centre of the controversy to a photocopying shop near Woking to be reproduced.

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This is getting silly beyond belief, McLaren lay their hands on these secret documents which they would not want anyone to know they had so they send someones wife to go photocopy them in a store?

Christ on a bike, I can't see how they could take this seriously?

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Originally Posted by janneppi

Here's your reply to the said quote by Flat.tyre, notice that it was you who brought up theFerrari/violence connection, not Stepney, not Flat.tyres



Flat.tyres, i suggest you take ioan's last post a a sincere apology, that's as close as he can bend to make one. :p :

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i have learned that when ioan gracefully bows out of a conversation, it's tantamount to him conceeding defeat.

Some people say it shows bad form. others that some people are cheese eating, surrender monkeys.

I say that ioan is neither but...

back to the thread as this will never get resolved but thanks J for your observations :D

Nothing will be resolved or even clarified in the forseeable future - the whole thing will drag on under all sorts of court orders for confidentiality, claims of self incrimination and so on. I predict that we won't get to the bottom of this for another two years at least, maybe even three.

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Originally Posted by Ian McC

This is getting silly beyond belief, McLaren lay their hands on these secret documents which they would not want anyone to know they had so they send someones wife to go photocopy them in a store?

Christ on a bike, I can't see how they could take this seriously?

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You are making a big assumption here, Ian. Yes, Mrs. Coughlan was obviously sent to do the job of photocopying the precious Ferrari design drawings, but by whom? By McLaren you say. You say the team had to be involved, but I say it is much more likely to have been nothing to do with McLaren. I suggest that Mr. Coughlan personally sent his good wife to copy the documents Stepney had given him, that same Mr. Coughlan who tried earlier, along with Stepney, to get a job for both of them at Honda. The men were obviously in league with each other.

There is no suggestion that anyone else at either of their teams was in league with them. There is no evidence yet (after one day of the two-day hearing) of a broader conspiracy and if you think about the sophistication of Jean Todt and Ron Dennis, it's hard to imagine either of them clumsily getting involved in a theft of an opponent's proprietary information. I think the conspiracy was nipped in the bud, at the copier-shop level. You can't nip much earlier than that.

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Originally Posted by Gannex

I suggest that Mr. Coughlan personally sent his good wife to copy the documents Stepney had given him...

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The only thing with that is that Stepney has denied sending any documents to Coughlan :crazy:

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"I categorically deny that I copied them [the documents], or that I sent them to Mike Coughlan. I knew I was being watched all the time at the factory and that everything I did or said was being reported back and that people knew whenever I accessed files on the computer. I have no idea how anything came into Mike's possession. If he has some documents, they came from another source."

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Now, he may have been instructed to say that in the light of the legal case brought against him by Ferrari, but what if it's true? Who could be the other source and what could their motives be?

This is getting stranger to believe all the time!!!

Now, Jonathan Neele knew that Coughlan had the documents but I bet he claims he never saw them! Does anyone believe that if you know someone has 780 pages of secrets from your main rival that you aren't going to be curious enough to take a quick peek at them? Then, the two of you are going to go on about your business and never mention them to those who work beside you day after day? Of course, you will send your wife down to the local copy shop to copy them (for who???) where she will happen to run into a copy boy who happens to be a Ferrari fan?

You can't write this stuff!!! :) (You also can't believe it!)

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Originally Posted by wmcot

This is getting stranger to believe all the time!!!

Now, Jonathan Neele knew that Coughlan had the documents but I bet he claims he never saw them! Does anyone believe that if you know someone has 780 pages of secrets from your main rival that you aren't going to be curious enough to take a quick peek at them? Then, the two of you are going to go on about your business and never mention them to those who work beside you day after day? Of course, you will send your wife down to the local copy shop to copy them (for who???) where she will happen to run into a copy boy who happens to be a Ferrari fan?

You can't write this stuff!!! :) (You also can't believe it!)

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This is developing nicely, at the end of the day Ron will be the only one from the McLaren staff who didn't knew about these documents! :D

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Originally Posted by wmcot

This is getting stranger to believe all the time!!!

Now, Jonathan Neele knew that Coughlan had the documents but I bet he claims he never saw them! Does anyone believe that if you know someone has 780 pages of secrets from your main rival that you aren't going to be curious enough to take a quick peek at them? Then, the two of you are going to go on about your business and never mention them to those who work beside you day after day? Of course, you will send your wife down to the local copy shop to copy them (for who???) where she will happen to run into a copy boy who happens to be a Ferrari fan?

You can't write this stuff!!! :) (You also can't believe it!)

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And of course, just nipped round to my local copier shop, and lo and behold, the spotty oik behind the counter produces a little black book, and on page 6 there it was, Jean Todt's address and phone numbers - amazing......

I also asked him for this weeks Lotto numbers, but he told me to p*ss off or he'd squeeze a zit over me!! :D