[WRC] FORUM8 Rally Japan 2023

Per, the stage was cancelled because rescue services were hindered by the weather. Had nothing to do with the Rally1s.

I'm not sure if you're all on the same page talking about heated screens. There's a difference between adequate blowers/vents and screens with electric heating elements like my rear screen. As far as I can see the Rally1s don't have sufficient blowers/dispersion of blown air. Doesn't have to be heated or air con, just ambient air will do.

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The other option is to fuck the enterprises and make WRC a sport of private hobby drivers. In that case you have to prepare for money leaving the sport. It means that in a few years live coverage will disappear. Some iconic events will start to disappear because the government support will disappear. The TV coverage will start to disappear etc.

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And your top class drivers have left too so you end up with current WRC2 as top class, for one season maybe until the series dies.

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Originally Posted by spyros

i know that rally 1 cars have more temp in duo to hybrid system that rally 2 do not have and in case that outside has low temp then we have this situation.

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More likely the exhaust routing (remember the complaints from co drivers in late 2021/early 2022?) and the tube frame nature of the cars than the motor generator unit.

All current Rally1 and Rally2 cars have heated windscreens. It's not any extra weight as heated/non heated windscreens weight difference is really not relevant. It's also basically 2m of extra wiring needed, so also not extra weight. And power is supplied anyway by power boxes, so no any extra fuses, etc.
All the cars have also quite efficient blowers. But there are certain conditions when those are not efficient enough, with so much water all around, cold outside temps, very warm inside temps, etc.
Sometimes the difference is made by the moment when you close your roof vent, or if the water goes inside by roof vent, etc, etc

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Originally Posted by br21

All current Rally1 and Rally2 cars have heated windscreens. It's not any extra weight as heated/non heated windscreens weight difference is really not relevant. It's also basically 2m of extra wiring needed, so also not extra weight. And power is supplied anyway by power boxes, so no any extra fuses, etc.
All the cars have also quite efficient blowers. But there are certain conditions when those are not efficient enough, with so much water all around, cold outside temps, very warm inside temps, etc.
Sometimes the difference is made by the moment when you close your roof vent, or if the water goes inside by roof vent, etc, etc

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First, overall safety regulations from at least two decades back demand to have relay/cutoff in power circuit of the heating of the screens. Not to cause overheating / fire.

Second, if you have had heated windscreen on your car once, you cannot justify the misted windscreens of most of the WRC1 drivers from last night. Just cannot happen.

Third, remeber some times ago Ott to mention about lack of any demister. Believe it was during Hyundai times.

Out of the theme, but do you think that there will be another drama tomorrow? Im afraid, that Saturday will become Sunday.. Just cruising trought

Just cruising. No one has motivation, except Mikkelsen :)

After Sordo, Fourmaux will also not restart

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Originally Posted by Mirek

There are several points.

The first thing is that Rally2 simply don't make sense as a marketing tool for the manufacturers. Simply said they are an advert for times that passed. The marketing departments of the manufacturers won't ever permit massive investment into promoting petrol cars.

Second thing is that the true manufacturers don't want that. Why? Because the last thing their public image needs is some privateers beating them.

Third thing is that now the Rally2 cars are quite equal and affordable cars. Once the works teams start to use them as the top class the equality is gone. In one or two years maximum the cars won't be equal anymore. And not only one type to another but also cars from works teams compared to the cars from private ones. The real running cost of a competitive car will rise immediately as well no matter how strict the rules are.


The first point is the most important. WRC must decide whether it will stay as a top tier championship where massive money of the global enterprises are being spent or a sport of hobby drivers. In first case WRC absolutely needs to find a story to promote in the future. That is missing now. Everyone and his dog can see that WRC fails to find a viable concept for its future. Today the WRC only lives from its past and making Rally2 the top class would just underline that.

The other option is to fuck the enterprises and make WRC a sport of private hobby drivers. In that case you have to prepare for money leaving the sport. It means that in a few years live coverage will disappear. Some iconic events will start to disappear because the government support will disappear. The TV coverage will start to disappear etc.

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Well, well, maybe Rally1 should stay. But I´m not sure.

What I´m definitely sure of is that local drivers never will beat the teams drivers when going in same cars (Rally2). Not even when it´s eight days in a week.