another school shooting in U.S. of A. :(

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Originally Posted by henners88

And here is me with the old fashioned deadlock on the front door, burglar alarm with activated zones and a phone by my bed lol.


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That is a good point henners. Around here the risk of home invasion is minimal to begin with, and further minimized with proper security measures as to make gun ownership for the purpose of protection effectively redundant. I would go so far as to argue that the risk of injury with merely having a gun in my home is far greater than the risk of home invasion to begin with :mark: .

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Originally Posted by ChristianArp

I see your point, but then by your reasoning an assault rifle makes even more sense - just load up a full magazine and then unload it on the intruder?
Whichever way you look at it, a handgun will still be plenty to injure anyone enough that their primal instincts will have them looking very fast for a way out of your house? With the added benefits that it slows down what seems to be an arms race contested by completely regular people..

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Very true. But practice regularly so that you can hit what you aim at.

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Originally Posted by henners88

And here is me with the old fashioned deadlock on the front door, burglar alarm with activated zones and a phone by my bed lol.


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I am sure that you will be able to hold the criminal at bay with a rousing chat, while waiting for the police to respond from the alarm or phone call. ;)

Ban bullets.

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Originally Posted by Starter

Very true. But practice regularly so that you can hit what you aim at.

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Exactly what I'm trying to say: if you just spend a bit of effort, the need for more than a handgun should never exist for purposes that - to my mind, it must be said - should never require a firearm, yet it is wrongly accepted to keep high power guns 'just in case'.
It is reality, but it doesn't change the fact that it is a broken reality.

I'll go to bed, safe in the knowledge that I've got an easy way out of the house should something happen (why confront the baddie?), knowing that everything is locked - and I live three houses from the regional headquarters of a massive biker-gang that is in the middle of a turf war..

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Originally Posted by Bezza

This was a truly shocking event. There should be tighter gun regulations in the USA, for sure. However, the gun didn't go off by itself - what is more important is that it is found out why this man did what he did, and how this can be stopped in future. If it wasn't a gun, he could've used something else (albeit probably to a lesser degree).

The focus should be on getting to the root of the problem, not just banning guns. The guns were the tool used, the cause was the mind of the perpetrator.

Video games have nothing to do with this either. Anybody of sane rationality knows the vast difference between reality and a computer game.

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This is an interesting concept, when one considers that the guy who shot the children reportedly spent many, many hours playing violent video games, and had access to his mothers firearms. I doubt many here would argue that this guy was "of sane rationality"

But seeing there are already 200 plus million firearms in the United States of America, I cannot see how any gun control could possibly be activated.

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Originally Posted by Starter

I am sure that you will be able to hold the criminal at bay with a rousing chat, while waiting for the police to respond from the alarm or phone call. ;)

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Actually, my nephew was a victim of a home invasion three days ago. 4 guys came to his apartment,and when he opened the door they demanded that he come outside. My nephew said"Like NO! and they kicked the screen door down, he ran away from them while they were punching his head, tore his shirt, but he finally made it to his bedroom and locked the door and called the cops.

Now if these 4 guys had guns, even if my nephew was armed, he would have been killed.

I have a German built assault weapon that is incredibly effective at detering murders and rapists to such an extent that most nights I forget to lock my door. As an added bonus, it also keeps my feet warm by lying on them. :D

I researched AnthonyVop's 'statistics' on the UK crime rates and compared them to America. America has done very well in the last few years at reducing the Murder rate in the US. It has dropped from 8.1 per 100k in 1995 to a mere 4.8 in 2010. That is really good news but if I was a US citizen, I would want to see it reduce even more. It may take a long time to get down to the UK rate of 1.2 but it's worth doing. You will never cut it out completely and it's going to be tough but isn't it worth doing?

Please guys, get over the constitution a bit here. Removing the right to bear arms will not make your Government suddenly turn into a Dictatorship that removes all your freedom rights. Your Government will always do what the Lobby groups tell them. Nothing will change that.

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Originally Posted by Starter

Perhaps we should all try and get a sense of perspective about what the world is really like instead of what we would like it to be.

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Does law have a hand in shaping and guiding a culture? If not, then why is it that Australia happened to have more deaths due to accidental electrocution than by people using guns? How is it that Australia happens to have less deaths in a year than the United States has on any given day?

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Originally Posted by Starter

Very true. But practice regularly so that you can hit what you aim at.

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This goes for practically everything, including enacting law to "insure domestic Tranquility".

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Originally Posted by Starter

I am sure that you will be able to hold the criminal at bay with a rousing chat, while waiting for the police to respond from the alarm or phone call. ;)

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I don't think he worries that much about it, to be honest. Most non-Americans don't seem to.