Do You Know the Real Islam?

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Originally Posted by monadvspec

How do you rationalize execution and war even if it is for your own defense when it clearly states "Thou shalt not Kill". I don't see anything about killing murderers or collateral damage victims such as those in all the wars and violence since time immemorial.

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'Thou shalt not kill" means "Thou shall not kill another Jew"

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I thought some of this seemed a bit eloquent, so did a quick search for your words and found your opinions, and some of the phraseology, to have been lifted in large part from this website:

TheReligionofPeace - Games Muslims Play

For instance: 'But Muslims today pray toward Mecca. The reason for this is that Muhammad issued a later command that abrogated (or nullified) the first.' I somehow doubt that words such as 'abrogate' feature that heavily in your everyday language. And you have the gall to accuse all Muslims of lacking intelligence for following the Koran!

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Blind quoting typifies fanatics of all colours. When you speak to them face to face you can almost see their eyes glaze over as they subcontract out their thinking processes to someone else.

Sadly this thread shows that fanatics come from all faiths including atheists. Frankly I'm a little surprised that the Christian fundies on this thread are still alive, what with 1.6 billion bloodthirsty Muslims after them life must be pretty exciting.

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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

'Thou shalt not kill" means "Thou shall not kill another Jew"

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Is that why Berkowitz (sic) is still alive?

Bob, the Crusades were an example of Christianity (the word of the Bible) being spread in a violent, militaristic manner.

What did he say?

Meek!, Blessed are the meek. Oh, that's nice, cos they have hell of a time..........

If you ask me it's the meek that are the problem.

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Originally Posted by salarcon

It's incredibly sad how few people really know the true Islam today.

Islam teaches many things and that includes justice, love, preserving family blood ties, brotherhood, kindness to one's parents, and the list goes on.

Many people in the West confuse the real teachings of Islam with the stupid behavior of extremists who have the audacity to call themselves muslims. Real muslims do not kill innocent people. But these terrorists use any excuse to justify their foolish actions.

Then there are those who use the following terms: "radical islam" or "islamic radicalism," or "islamic terrorists" which in reality have nothing to do with Islam. Why? Islam does not support any kind of radical, terrorist, or extremist behavior.

Another point that many people in the West confuse: Sunna with Shia sect. The "muslims" from Iran practice a version of Islam which isn't truly Islam. There was a split of who should have been the first muslim leader after Muhammad's death. Some believed that Muhammad(PBUH) wanted Ali Ibn Abi Talib to become the first Caliph. Ali's supporters became the shia sect. And the Sunni is the majority of muslims today. The Sunni is the practices of Prophet Muhammad(Peace Be Upon Him) which are the examples that he set forth in order to give future Muslims a clear guidance in how to behave in everyday life. This is the true Islam.

People are confusing politics with religion, and that is why most people today cannot get a truer picture of the real Islam.

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You should be careful whom you lable a terrorist. I mean, President Bush used the thread of WoMD as an excuse to justify his invasion of Iraq. These terrorists believe they are doing the right thing, just like Bush did. Who here dares call Bush a terrorist? I do! By his own definition, he himself is a terrorist. He believes he is right, "extremists" believe they are right. It's a viscious circle that never ends and the truth is that no one is right.

I can see it happening all over again with Iran. The US are squeezing their economy to within an inch of its life. It's all going to go go bust up and so the wheel turns and it all begins again etc.

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Originally Posted by Mark

If you ask me it's the meek that are the problem.

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Or the big noses :p

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Originally Posted by Bob Riebe

If the numbers are not similar, and the reason for the killing similar, then there is no comparison and the Christian analogy is bogus, based on varying levels of bias.

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Again this obsession with numbers! I can only repeat: If Religion A is resonsible for less deaths than Religion B, it doesn't follow that A is "better" than B. It simply means that a handful of followers of both faiths have used their religion for evil ends. A minority of Muslims subvert their holy text to justify behaviour we find offensive, illegal or immoral; but it's also true that so do a minority of Christians. Whether one group outnumbers the other, and by how many, is hardly the point.

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Originally Posted by Dave B

Again this obsession with numbers! I can only repeat: If Religion A is responsible for less deaths than Religion B, it doesn't follow that A is "better" than B. It simply means that a handful of followers of both faiths have used their religion for evil ends. A minority of Muslims subvert their holy text to justify behavior we find offensive, illegal or immoral; but it's also true that so do a minority of Christians. Whether one group outnumbers the other, and by how many, is hardly the point.

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Methinks some brain matter will be used just to understand the true logic of your point. You will then be hit with words such as "rhetoric" "bias" and his now "nothing comes from nothing" argument.

I know I am a new person here but Bob, why on earth are you so intolerant of logic. If you really believe your posts and retorts, to some of the responses to yours are full of intellectual

observations I am sorry for you. You actually inferred that Dawkins, the pre-eminent evolutionary scientist in the world is not bright then I fear your wattage is very low indeed.