How do you see the future of rally?

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

Why doesn't the FIA allow a representative from each manufacturer and 2-3 representatives from the drivers into the commision ?? They are the ones directly involved and risk their money and lives...

instead we have 60 and 70 year old people with 3rd age crisis trying to do a very important job...

their place is in an old peoples home not any kind of committee...

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They do.

There is a representative of each manufacturer, plus Rally Organisers etc etc.

I renew my question to you of a week ago - who do you think is on the Commission? You make these ridiculous statements but you actually have no idea what you're prattling on about.

Again - who are these vague characters of people you're accusing to be on the Commission?

http://www.fia.com/en-GB/the-fia/gov...t-comms-wg.pdf

hope this one answers your question...

nice assortment of failures in their prime trying to make it during their sunset of their careers and lifes...

where is the manufacturer representative and the drivers one?

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

http://www.fia.com/en-GB/the-fia/gov...t-comms-wg.pdf

hope this one answers your question...

nice assortment of failures in their prime trying to make it during their sunset of their careers and lifes...


where is the manufacturer representative and the drivers one?

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I'm sure you're very happy with yourself for finding that little document, but surely you realise that there's more people on a commission than one person? Arnad Crepin is an employee of FIA.

Ford are represented by Gerard Quinn, Citroen by Yves Matton, while Mini and VW have representatives invited but not able to vote (not full manufacturers). Malcolm Wilson also votes to represent 'teams'.

robert reid is vice president (another co-driver...LOL) and i wonder why Mouton has a saying as well...

overall there are 9 members...their names however are hard to find...

all in all the commission is doing a very bad job... and seems that those representatives of the teams are not taken seriously because every time the commisison comes with a decision they seem to be the first to voice concerns...

we need new people with new ideas not old people in their 60s and 70s...

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Originally Posted by rallyfiend

I'm sure you're very happy with yourself for finding that little document.

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yes indeed.

One thing that bugs me, and pardon if you guys have already talked about it, is that there has not been an interesting "ladder" in rallying for years. Yes we have S2000 but most of the drivers/teams have chosen IRC with S2000. We have not lower levels with interesting machinery for young drivers. We have no lower levels for anybody, not for drivers nor manufacturers or carmakes.

Do you remember from where Skoda, Seat and Hyundai came WRC ?? The kit-cars. And their championship was organized and worked. My wish is... or was that FIA would pick up S2000 and gave it a tempting championship worth to fight for. WRC cars would be the highest level of rallying and one would go there by stepping up the ladder. IMO FIA is wasting S2000 completely.

It's easy to say there is no promoter. WRC must be made interesting and then promoters line up. But it means the whole package, not just WRC level.

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Originally Posted by A.F.F.

One thing that bugs me, and pardon if you guys have already talked about it, is that there has not been an interesting "ladder" in rallying for years. Yes we have S2000 but most of the drivers/teams have chosen IRC with S2000. We have not lower levels with interesting machinery for young drivers. We have no lower levels for anybody, not for drivers nor manufacturers or carmakes.

Do you remember from where Skoda, Seat and Hyundai came WRC ?? The kit-cars. And their championship was organized and worked. My wish is... or was that FIA would pick up S2000 and gave it a tempting championship worth to fight for. WRC cars would be the highest level of rallying and one would go there by stepping up the ladder. IMO FIA is wasting S2000 completely.

It's easy to say there is no promoter. WRC must be made interesting and then promoters line up. But it means the whole package, not just WRC level.

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I think that partially the reason is that as the technology of the kit cars improved they became very expensive so most drivers who had their eyes in the WRC as a career prefered to go straight to the big league than waste money with a lesser car....same goes for the s1600 championship and s2000s of today.

In my opinion it's a bit different case. The main problem is that with any lower class you are virtually invisible in WRC. Public don't care about You no matter how fast driver You are, You are ignored in TV and You are far from top of the overall leaderboard (ask Hänninen about S2000 victories in NORF). When You go with same car into the IRC You can fight for overall victory, You can be in TV and You are more likely to be recognized by common people who doesn't know what each class means and why someone who is written in results to be 10th overall in WRC event driving Skoda Fabia must be a great driver...

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Originally Posted by Mirek

In my opinion it's a bit different case. The main problem is that with any lower class you are virtually invisible in WRC. Public don't care about You no matter how fast driver You are, You are ignored in TV and You are far from top of the overall leaderboard (ask Hänninen about S2000 victories in NORF). When You go with same car into the IRC You can fight for overall victory, You can be in TV and You are more likely to be recognized by common people who doesn't know what each class means and why someone who is written in results to be 10th overall in WRC event driving Skoda Fabia must be a great driver...

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that is also a factor and i think the main reason sponsors will prefer someone doing IRC and not WRC...

Again it is FIAs fault since they do not give the lesser classes of the WRC any respect, so it is normal now that the PWRC and the SWRC are filled with tourists with no future, present and past.

for example why does the power stage only counts for the WRC ? they should have points awarded in the PWRC and SWRC class as well...small change you might say but if you add 100 more of small changes you can make a difference.

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Originally Posted by N.O.T

that is also a factor and i think the main reason sponsors will prefer someone doing IRC and not WRC...

Again it is FIAs fault since they do not give the lesser classes of the WRC any respect, so it is normal now that the PWRC and the SWRC are filled with tourists with no future, present and past.

for example why does the power stage only counts for the WRC ? they should have points awarded in the PWRC and SWRC class as well...small change you might say but if you add 100 more of small changes you can make a difference.

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They are giving powerstage points to all class winners in Estonian Championship since the beginning of 2012. That is a great idea. I have never seen so many drivers driving so fast on the last stage of the rally :-) It is very spectacular for the spectators and motivating for drivers as well. Probably good for TV and sponsors as well :-)