People Power

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Originally Posted by Rollo

Except for the problem that real world data shows that the compounded annual increases for the average worker are 1% whilst for the very top its 4%.
If the company is more profitable, there will be more money available for raises but history has shown that since 1979 the distribution of those raises isn't equal. Money which is available for raises is more likely to go to people in upper management.

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So? Is that a problem?

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

So? Is that a problem?

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Explain why you don't think it is.

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Originally Posted by donKey jote

Sure... we all know it's because you secretly fancy the boss's daughter :p

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Well, at least she's not Markabilly's missus.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

So? Is that a problem?

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Probably not of itself but if sufficiently enough people get sufficiently angry and annoyed, then results might not be so friendly.
Think of the Great Fire of Rome in 64, or of the results of the financial crisis in Paris in 1789 or of the recent Arab Spring. Maybe think of something else which was a perceived "response to injustice" and for which the US is still fighting a war as the result of 10 years later.
Is it a problem? You be the judge of that.

If mankind is disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, then they will right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

So? Is that a problem?

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Yes it is. It proves the point that was made earlier- that someone on a hourly wage isn't likely to be as motivated to do their bit to make the business they work for more profitable.

If, like yourself, work for your own business then you might find this point hard to appreciate.

I work in a sales position in retail. I can say without any doubt that if I recieved commision for every sale I made, or if my annual bonus accounted for my personal performance instead of the company performance, I would be much better at my job. But as I don't, most of the time I will just fulfill the requirements that my job description states.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Explain why you don't think it is.

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The free market should decide salaries. Nothing or no one else.

If you are in the group who see their salary only increasing by 1% then perhaps you should look in the mirror to see who is culpable. To demand more by claiming fairness is just petty jealousy and despicable

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Except the evidence suggests it has not been "big upward spiral" unless you happen to be in the top 1%. Based on that evidence what is the incentive for a worker to work harder and help create profit for the company they work for?

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That is exactly the sort of attitude that leaves people stuck in the same situation. Unless you are lucky enough to win the lottery, your life will not improve unless you put in the hard yards. Sometimes if you are lucky it only takes a few months and the rewards come and continue to come. Sometimes it takes years and years for the rewards to be seen. If you are really unlucky, you get no reward. But if you don't plug away at it, you deserve no rewards.

Too many people today have a feeling of entitlement to everything, which is bull$hit! No one wants to get their hands dirty anymore. These world wide protests we are seeing are proof that the majority of the worlds population are idiots and the vast majority of these idiots are also lazy and unwilling to make an improvement in their own lives, so they protest about it being someone else's fault.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

The free market should decide salaries. Nothing or no one else.

If you are in the group who see their salary only increasing by 1% then perhaps you should look in the mirror to see who is culpable. To demand more by claiming fairness is just petty jealousy and despicable

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It's not often that you and I agree on something...but this is one of those times :p :

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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

Yes it is. It proves the point that was made earlier- that someone on a hourly wage isn't likely to be as motivated to do their bit to make the business they work for more profitable.

If, like yourself, work for your own business then you might find this point hard to appreciate.

I work in a sales position in retail. I can say without any doubt that if I recieved commision for every sale I made, or if my annual bonus accounted for my personal performance instead of the company performance, I would be much better at my job. But as I don't, most of the time I will just fulfill the requirements that my job description states.

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Now that is sad to hear, especially as you are so young. What the hell are you going to achieve in life with that attitude Jon :(

When you are doing the funky monkey with your lady, do you do just enough to get the job done, or do you go at it with everything you got? Think about it :)

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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

Yes it is. It proves the point that was made earlier- that someone on a hourly wage isn't likely to be as motivated to do their bit to make the business they work for more profitable.

If, like yourself, work for your own business then you might find this point hard to appreciate.

I work in a sales position in retail. I can say without any doubt that if I recieved commision for every sale I made, or if my annual bonus accounted for my personal performance instead of the company performance, I would be much better at my job. But as I don't, most of the time I will just fulfill the requirements that my job description states.

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Then the Free market would dictate that the retailer you are working for in all probability is loosing out on sales and market share because of this policy.

It reminds me of the Saturn Car company. Launched with great fanfare that there would be no Buyer/Seller price haggling just one sticker price and that it's salesmen would just work for a Salary and not commission. They built some of the finest cars in the entire GM line. We all know where Saturn is now.