How much tv revenue does spec miata produce?
Indycar: we lift in the corners!
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How much tv revenue does spec miata produce?
Indycar: we lift in the corners!
That's where you and I completely 100% disagree ...
Competitive it subjective ... Look no further than the IRL putting up a string on close finishes and still seeing declines in attendance and ratings .., loss if teams sponsors and tracks
Posters have been telling me for years I'm wrong yet the decline in popularity is palatable
Your definition is subjective
I think it's time to say that the new car is a .. failure. That's right. It is in fact uglier than previous, slower, aerodynamically inefficient and delicate. And it seems overpriced to me as well. The only positive side is safety measures in hiding wheels. Bad job from Dallara. But hey, i'm sure a Chinese manufacturer could do far better job for a half price :p :
as for the speed thing, when was the last time NASCAR had "a new track record" at an "old" track??
NASCAR currently has a fan base and a working biz model...Indycar doesn'tQuote:
Originally Posted by Chris R
true, but they built a lot of the casual fanbase long after Awesome Bill's big speeds of the mid 1980's.... I want to see faster cars too - but I am not sure that will being people back - I think there is more to it than speed - what, I am not sure.....Quote:
Originally Posted by SarahFan
honestly, I think Indycar has been a bit "hoity toity" over the years - which suit me fine - I am a bit of a snob myself - but I think it may tend to alienate too many and it also tends to make some think they are really more successful than they truly are (and nobody is all that willing to help someone or something they think is more successful than them)...
Last, but not least, I think there is a bit of an industrial conspiracy against AOWR in general. Both NASCAR and F1 know that IF Indycar ever "got it together" they would have inferior products and Indycar could have them both for lunch.... So, I think there are more than a few in the industry who could cut Indycar some slack that are not doing it and indeed may even be acting in a manner to impede success of Indycar....
Last but not least, Indycar is its own worst enemy. It has been run by a group of people who really do not understand or care about the world too far beyond Indianapolis (or the mid-west anyway) for many many years. Even the CART guys rarely had a true world view (or even a USA wide view)...
Bottom line is that while speed is important, I think it is toward the bottom of the top 10 list of problems with Indycar and in and of itself won't make much difference without fixing other issues too....
I have maintained there is more to the puzzle than just a track record ...
But I believe it's currently the most important and the first building block ...
Indycar: we've got a new car, it's slower than the old buts it's got a bumper! Is not going to garner even a single set of new eyeballs
No offense but it's like saying that baseball will have soccer for lunch in the world outside North America. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris R
you are 100% right - but the old car wouldn't either.... heck, the new champcar being pretty good didn't do them any good either....Quote:
Originally Posted by SarahFan
My personal opinion is that they need to go radical and go to a front engine (optional but might be favorable with my other ideas), open wheel, aero limited (i.e. - the old "integral to the body" only) 4 wheel drive (allowable) model. They should include a stock "survival cell" that is non structural in nature and standardized. Everything else should be open as long as it fits in a box of a specific size.... To add some security to the series they should probably include penalty weight potential for overly successful cars.... oh,a and to limit power they would have to get a certain gas mileage or some other conversion to limit total energy used during any given race.....
Basically, standardize only a safety cell, let the boys have at it if it fits in the standard box, uses a set amount of energy and no longer includes "wings" or some other serious aero restriction that is beyond me....
THEN, you have a unique product that, whether it is faster or slower, can and will be interesting, exciting and innovative oh, and perhaps even cheap if they do the safety cell right).... THEN you have something to sell and to get excited about... Problem is, if it is a bust the game is over.....
Anyway, Ken, I do agree with your sentiments - it is just that I will be ok if the new car races well , I am more concerned about ugliness of the car than I am about the speed at the moment... I am guessing they will allow more power if needed to address the speed concerns.... you are right though, the new car is NOT going to being any new fans - but really, none of the concepts presented would have done it either.... If they want to grow the sport they need to break the mold and start anew....