Mini only offer the wrc or the "super production" which is their rrc/s2000 equivalent. Too many stupid names
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Mini only offer the wrc or the "super production" which is their rrc/s2000 equivalent. Too many stupid names
They could call it the Susan if that makes them happy - I'm just wondering which class it falls into.
Any S2000 car without WRC package is class 2 be it S2000 2.0NA or S2000 1.6T.
s2000: N/A aspirated 2.0L like fabia, 207, punto
RRC: turbo 1.6L WRC engine with 30mm restrictor (33mm for WRC) mini JCW S2000, fiesta RRC, DS3 RRC
R5: turbo 1.6L engine. not with huge budged/expert needs to run engine compared WRC but similar output to RRC. only 208 R5 so far.
those are competing in same class. RRC and S2000 are supposed to fade out (i think not so soon)
So, RRC is not a stand-alone class of car (like Group N), then?
The class they run in is S2000T - which is in reality 1.6 turbos, as you would know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prisoner Monkeys
RRC, SP etc. are all just names that the manufacturers use to designate the cars.
In regards to the Mentos boys, I dont think that there is an actual difference between what people call Mini RRC an Mini S2000, but I'm not completely sure on that one, hope for Mirek or PLuto to see these posts later on.. ;)
Right, thank you.
Now I just need to verify the reliability of these Mentos Ascania sources.
There's no difference between Mini s2000 and Mini SP - they have only 1.6 turbo engine car without WRC kitQuote:
Originally Posted by "
All these classifications and regulations and car classes is so confusing. And Wikipedia's articles not helping at all as alot of them are outdated and unorganized. So basically we have 2 valid classes now for all fia championships, wrc class and group r. Old classes like super 2000 and group n are gone?
My understanding is that Super 2000 and Group N will eventually be discontinued, and Group R will take over from it. Every new car that gets homologated will be classified under Group R regulations.
Susan
LoL~! :D
WRC=WRCQuote:
Originally Posted by Frostmourne
WRC2=S2000,S2000T,R4,N4,R5
WRC3=R1,R2,R3,R3T,R3D
Might have forgotten something but that's the basics of it.
I will try to explain :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Frostmourne
There used to be the old system of gr.A5-8/N1-4 cars with classes based on cylinder capacity (multiplied by turbo coefficient), later gr.R system was introduced where to make it more confusing the letter stands for engine capacity and number for level of tuning (i.e. R2B -> R2 level of tuning and B engine - under 1600 ccm NA). Besides that they created plenty of cars standing aside of these classes like new and old WRC, S1600, S2000 or wide Kit Cars. That together created a big mess.
Till few years back they used old A/N system and put those other cars somewhere where it looks like suitable for them (S2000 to N4 although it has nothing to do with gr.N, S1600 to A6 etc.). As a result it was even bigger mess (how to explain a newcomer that pure special with engine under 2000 ccm is placed among almost stock cars with engine up to 3500 ccm...).
So they introduced the class WRC-1....10 system where they put all existing cars into some classes based on their performance. I think it was made quite logical but it was still only a step. Now some of these classes are deleted as proven useless (class 1 for example).
Next step is to close all old gr.A/N homologations and also some of those others. That is planned for 2015. After 2015 only gr.R cars, S2000 and WRC 1.6T are allowed in FIA events. All old gr.A/N cars, S1600, Kit Cars etc. are after this date useless for FIA events. If I understand right it is planned also to stop the current R4 experiment and make new R4 same with old N4 (only rename N4 to R4). In my understanding since that time we will have WRC-R5-RGT-R4-R3-R2-R1 classes.
It was already explained here but maybe just for clarification once again. RRC, SPC or whatever are only marketing names of M-Sport, Citroën or Prodrive. None of these is a class name. It is similar like when You take for example Mégane RS. It's N4 class car and the letters RS are used only as marketing (name stands for Renault Sport). In the rules it's all S2000. Till 1.1.2010 S2000 could have been homologated with 2.0NA engine, later only with 1.6T engine. Even WRC car is still S2000 homologation. The WRC package is only an extension pack to the S2000 homologation and there is no new homoogation number given.
That is valid only for WRC championship while he asked for all FIA championships ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
Thank you all guys. Each one of you has answered few things in my mind.
al ketbi at the start of the rally of montecarlo with Skoda s2000, but his program did not include 10 races on a Fiesta RCC?
Last two years Al Ketbi worked with JM Racing. This team will have another car in Monte Carlo for Tomáš Kostka. I guess it was much cheaper for everybody to run two cars of one team instead of bringing another team.
Since the Loeb thread is closed (!?) I guess this is the best place to post this.
Anyway, Loeb is 10th on the list of European sportspersons of the year. (Yes, sportsperson and not sportsman because Dutch swimmer Ranomi Kromowidjojo in 8th is the only woman on the list.)
Sebastian Vettel is first on the list...
What did Vettel do to come first? Absolute joke......similar to Autosports Top50 drivers of the Year; I don't think Loeb has ever come 1st.
I guess there's only one answer, he is driving in the Formula 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
And there is a lot of cycling jelousy inEurope that a Brit is the world's best cyclist JY
Hmm, I think Bertie the Accountant may disagree with that... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
Apparently, being Formula 1 World Champion is enough to automatically qualify as driver of the year. Never mind that there were others out there who arguably achieved more - for example, Fernando Alonso finished second in a car that was one of the worst Ferrari have built in recent memory - or that Vettel's accomplishment is marred by the way the Red Bull RB8 was subject to no less than five technical challenges throughout the season and only passed them because they'd slipped through loopholes in the rulebook. If you ask me, Vettel isn't just undeserving of the title of "Driver of the Year", but undeserving of the World Championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by Franky
Just for once I'd like to see a rally driver actually place well on that list. I'm hoping that 2013 will be the year that it happens, with people rushing to fill the vaccuum that will be creates by Loeb's semi-retirement. It's unfortunate that this is what it will take for a rally driver to stand out, considering that Loeb is probably the greatest driver rallying has ever seen. But no, he's not in Formula 1, so his achievements don't count.
I was actually surprised to see a rally driver in thr top 10.
.. Ostberg on Michelin and Novikov on D-Macks in the Qatar M-Sport WRT?
hard year for Novikov..Quote:
Originally Posted by alleskids
Mostly hard... to understand! He has the opportunity to drive in best possible conditions, but chooses for DMack... I think it's clear enough already that with those tyres you will eventually lose some time everywhere?
Yes, good question. Is it possible two drivers with different tyre brands in one team? I don't think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by alleskids
Or will M-sport choose for DMACK? Oh, I hope not!!!!
Maybe he doesn't have a choice - DMACK could be part of the sponsorship package he brings to the team.
maybe he had little choise, as the second Ford driver has to bring budget? Petter Solberg had to bring 2 miljion euro to have a seat with M-Sport.I thing Qatar only pays for Ostberg, Al Attiyah and NeuvilleQuote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Regarding the programmes he did previous years ('09, '11 and '12) I doubt he needs money from DMack...
Slight correction Qatar pays for Nasser and Neuville. My info is that Mads buget comes from a Swedish owned computer company :-) formely known as NDS.Quote:
Originally Posted by alleskids
then Novikov likes to gamble on D-Mack for making a (positive) difference. He had his best WRC results (podiums) on D-Mack
Ostberg brings his own budget? If Qatar does not pay for Qatar M-Sport WRT, then why be the title sponsor?Quote:
Originally Posted by MJW
Because al'Attiyah is driving for Qatar M-Sport and Neuville is driving for Qatar WRT. They get title sponsorship of two teams, with minimal outlay.
May I ask - when will D-MAck become equal with Michelin regarding performance of the tyres? Will they ever? Or have they already become equal?
Maybe thatīs what the guys already know?
Letīs wait and see, before making judgements. The times that have been is just nothing until we know the status of todays development.
Am I wrong?
I thought Novikov did only Spain on D-Mack? Novikov has been on podium 2x in WRC, that was in Portugal and Sardinia this year. On Sardinia he was on Michelin, 100% sure. I think Portugal too?Quote:
Originally Posted by alleskids
dmack at 2 years to become equal with michelin? No way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Don't underestimate Michelin... D-Mack tyres cost only half of what Michelins costs, so it would not be reasonable to expect the same quality. In Belgium, Viaene-S12 WRC tested them in the beginning of the year, but after the test he never used them again, so I guess the difference in costs is not worth the difference in performance? And that is for national level. Not talking about a WRC-event with loops of over 80km with same tyres.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper