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1st February 2023, 09:18
AnttiL

Quote:

Originally Posted by ouvreur

The biggest problem is, however, the fact that a team's different drivers can't all do a national rally on different days. They have to compete at the same time, or do different events. Either way, this either means teams being busy 51 weekends per year, or sending 2 or 3 cars (with the appropriate number of team personnel) to each event. Thus, significantly more expensive than a dedicated test.

So, it's for those reasons why I think what Turdfish proposed - banning testing and encouraging teams to compete in unlimited national rallies - is a really dumb idea. As usual from them.

This is a very good point. Also it might not always be possible to find local rallies with matching roads to the following WRC event.
1st February 2023, 09:19
AnttiL

Quote:

Originally Posted by ictus

Big exaggeration, you can get a 5km gravel road with safety and emergancy services on site for 2500-3000€, at least here where I'm from

OK. I know nothing but I heard these numbers from someone who works in a WRC team.
1st February 2023, 09:50
ouvreur

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnttiL

This is a very good point. Also it might not always be possible to find local rallies with matching roads to the following WRC event.

Exactly. Even Otepaa and Kuopio are a compromise, and are only really useful for giving new drivers a bit more seat time.
1st February 2023, 09:52
ouvreur

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnttiL

OK. I know nothing but I heard these numbers from someone who works in a WRC team.

It depends where you go, of course. Eastern Europe or Spain are always going to be cheaper than Finland or Estonia. Italy kind of falls in the middle. Knowing the right people can give you access to some pretty cheap forests in the UK. Unfortunately some organisers see WRC teams coming and the €€€€€ start flashing...
1st February 2023, 12:23
ictus

Quote:

Originally Posted by ouvreur

It depends where you go, of course. Eastern Europe or Spain are always going to be cheaper than Finland or Estonia. Italy kind of falls in the middle. Knowing the right people can give you access to some pretty cheap forests in the UK. Unfortunately some organisers see WRC teams coming and the €€€€€ start flashing...

And tarmac testing is cheaper cause you don't have to repair the road
1st February 2023, 13:11
PLuto

Quote:

Originally Posted by ictus

And tarmac testing is cheaper cause you don't have to repair the road

Depends on the road and surface. Sometimes repairing the tarmac road is more expensive than gravel... I remember when I have seen "last WRC" cars on Corse, they were literally shreading pieces of road.
1st February 2023, 14:19
atsiotras79

Quote:

Originally Posted by PLuto

Depends on the road and surface. Sometimes repairing the tarmac road is more expensive than gravel... I remember when I have seen "last WRC" cars on Corse, they were literally shreading pieces of road.

And if I remember correct, in one country, in the cost of the tarmac test, rent for the road was required to the local authority…
1st February 2023, 17:18
Fast Eddie WRC

Soooooo.... do we comment here about WRC drivers when they're doing national events, or in the European National Rallying section ?!
1st February 2023, 17:47
TypeR

I have had that thought for about some time..
If a ,,works' " driver legally buys a car from the manu team and just wants to drive it from time to time.. I'm pretty sure that there is no rule/law that forbids to do that..
1st February 2023, 17:47
satukata

https://youtu.be/rAXjQl6XWKs BREEN today
1st February 2023, 20:23
becher

Quote:

Originally Posted by TypeR

I have had that thought for about some time..
If a ,,works' " driver legally buys a car from the manu team and just wants to drive it from time to time.. I'm pretty sure that there is no rule/law that forbids to do that..

Well here's an idea!
2nd February 2023, 08:24
Rallyper

Quote:

Originally Posted by satukata

https://youtu.be/rAXjQl6XWKs BREEN today

No roads similar to Rally Sweden stages though.
2nd February 2023, 10:21
AnttiL

https://twitter.com/se_rally/status/1621085652296306688

More Breen today.
2nd February 2023, 11:32
EstWRC

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rallyper

No roads similar to Rally Sweden stages though.

And he is all over the place IMO
2nd February 2023, 11:39
manthey

https://www.autohebdo.fr/actualites/...it-pareil.html

Adamo explained opportunity - cost of the debate we were discussing

Good insight
2nd February 2023, 12:59
Fast Eddie WRC

David Evans on the testing rules... https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/are-t...d-for-the-wrc/
2nd February 2023, 13:41
Rallyper

Quote:

Originally Posted by EstWRC

And he is all over the place IMO

Looks like that.
However conditions or smth else could matter.
2nd February 2023, 17:48
Fast Eddie WRC

Toyota test with drone footage...
https://youtu.be/i5U2qd4X3sw
2nd February 2023, 19:15
bomber21

WOW, this video is just amazing!!’
3rd February 2023, 07:36
EstWRC

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

Soooooo.... do we comment here about WRC drivers when they're doing national events, or in the European National Rallying section ?!

I think we can comment here. It’s purely a test for them

Shakedown today https://twitter.com/otttanak/status/...6bFDrLvx3lRvsg
3rd February 2023, 07:40
Rallyest

Quote:

Originally Posted by EstWRC

I think we can comment here. It’s purely a test for them

Shakedown today https://twitter.com/otttanak/status/...6bFDrLvx3lRvsg

Puma looks so good and clean in white. Livery, no livery well designed rallycar
3rd February 2023, 08:54
Fast Eddie WRC

Clip of Tanak on shakedown https://fb.watch/isBBIfJr1L/
3rd February 2023, 10:32
Tauri_J

Had a look from shakedown in the morning.

Serderidis vs Ott
https://streamable.com/8x6z9s
https://streamable.com/85h3r5
3rd February 2023, 11:05
Kalm

I agree with the "all white looking good" theory :)
https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=...24773762971047
3rd February 2023, 11:06
Fast Eddie WRC

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FoCqUFsW...g&name=900x900
3rd February 2023, 12:30
EstWRC

https://scontent.ftll2-1.fna.fbcdn.n...fw&oe=63E2363C'
https://scontent.ftll2-1.fna.fbcdn.n...GQ&oe=63E13983

credit https://www.facebook.com/pashazhukovpic
3rd February 2023, 14:04
EstWRC

Delfi gallery of todays shakedown stage https://sport.delfi.ee/artikkel/1201...c-13f3cafb1505
3rd February 2023, 17:15
Fast Eddie WRC

Tanak SD videos
https://youtu.be/R79QvXI-N_0

https://youtu.be/lSZ54j3nH_I
4th February 2023, 11:06
Fast Eddie WRC

Katsuta just smashed his radiator hitting a snow bank at Kuopio. Not sure if he can continue.
4th February 2023, 11:09
Fast Eddie WRC

Lappi going well...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FoHvxaaW...jpg&name=large
4th February 2023, 12:09
Rallyper

KAtsuta front...
https://twitter.com/AnttiL_WRC/statu...688962/photo/1
4th February 2023, 13:03
EstWRC

Local championship round turns out to be difficult

Taka out cause broke the radiator and Lappi off https://twitter.com/hartusvuoriwrc/s...944rI4UwdJ-HBw
4th February 2023, 14:13
Fast Eddie WRC

Even Tanak having some difficulties...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1621877422269267971
4th February 2023, 14:24
Fast Eddie WRC

https://dirtfish.com/rally/lappi-and...sh-snow-rally/

And Tanak explains why he's at the national rally:

"At first, it is difficult to adapt to any car, to understand what it does and wants. In Sweden, we were able to test it for a day, but it was only a five-kilometer section, back and forth, and we didn't manage to experience different conditions. The idea of a small rally is to be able to drive different roads, different conditions, the first and second lap with other machines. This is the reason why we are in Otepää," explained Tänak.
4th February 2023, 14:47
dimviii

Lappi with 140km/h average at last stage
4th February 2023, 15:54
AnttiL

Quote:

Originally Posted by dimviii

Lappi with 140km/h average at last stage

SS7 would have been even faster, even Huttunen had 137 km/h, but Lappi went off
4th February 2023, 16:35
bwallace

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

https://dirtfish.com/rally/lappi-and...sh-snow-rally/

And Tanak explains why he's at the national rally:

"At first, it is difficult to adapt to any car, to understand what it does and wants. In Sweden, we were able to test it for a day, but it was only a five-kilometer section, back and forth, and we didn't manage to experience different conditions. The idea of a small rally is to be able to drive different roads, different conditions, the first and second lap with other machines. This is the reason why we are in Otepää," explained Tänak.

This is the source when he sad that ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQQe...index=1&t=296s
4th February 2023, 22:02
Fast Eddie WRC

Nice action fom the TokSport PET:

https://youtu.be/Kv2OZlYfd20
5th February 2023, 08:46
Rallyper

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

Nice action fom the TokSport PET:

https://youtu.be/Kv2OZlYfd20

Yes. Really nice. Good speed from the boys.
I was thinking bringing youtube outside and the feeling would´ve been almost for real, staying on a stage live...
5th February 2023, 17:43
KKSF

Otepaa Talveralli 2023, Estonia, Ott Tanak testing for WRC Rally Sweden 2023. Some off's and Serderidis spin.
KKSF HD video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84iPFx6WHxg

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