Thank you for clearing it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex009
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Thank you for clearing it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex009
And here we go, Toyota already contesting on smaller rally with Katsuta https://twitter.com/hartusvuoriwrc/s...GWaqBtQN85QU6A
You say 7 days if they split evenly, but they don't have to....Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Teams straight on to testing on national rallies to counter official testing days reduction...
https://www.wrc.com/en/news/2023/wrc...ional-rallies/
Even Offical wrc page cant get their info presented right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
"It’s great that we can take the Puma Rally1 to my home roads and I’m sure that the local rally fans are happy for this news," said Tänak, who finished fourth overall on his Puma debut at Rallye Monte-Carlo last week.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td7s...ture=emb_title
Katsuta on snow
idk if this is the only rally video online that is not sped up, but Toyota/Taka looks kinda slow on snowQuote:
Originally Posted by ictus
Kalle https://youtu.be/zsfNVvjb7sA
Seems that msport will test in Sweden in the coming days
One more Kalle https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRNQ...oonasL%C3%B6nn
Toyota are testing in a different area than last year.
Amazing speed by Kale,yaris seems so natural in these conditions.
Any backstory, with that last picture?
Loubet PET for Sweden. I hope Tanak will do it also, if rally in Estonia won't happen or conditions are different..
Yah sorry. It’s Loubet testing today
Ott will also test, they didn’t go Sweden only for one driver and day. Plus he said that during betsafe interview.
Lappi is also testing today but haven't seen videos yet
Bertelli maximum attack https://youtu.be/VBj6rRkrC3E
a small oneQuote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
https://twitter.com/MKiviaho/status/1619730580995964928
and a bigger one
https://twitter.com/MKiviaho/status/1619730580995964928
M-Sport is in Kall, Østersund
Short clip of Tänak https://twitter.com/rickystoop_/stat...UOp0eqcKXD4NvQ
Neuville drove today. A small crash.
https://twitter.com/juhamakkeli/stat...661120/photo/2
Anyone hear the DF podcast discussion on WRC testing and if it should be banned but instead teams can enter their cars/drivers at as many local rallies as they like ?
A barmy idea or a good way to show the Rally1 cars in action to more people ?
Let's build and race 1mil eur cars, but go nuts about 1-2 sets of extra tyres and some test days..
Another thing to make the series more attractive is to use only 1 engine per season to reduce the costs..
Lappi again today as I understand https://youtu.be/VHPH5EwqsHs
Yes. Apparently Neuville got ill and tested only one day. Breen will test then two days.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Today we got confirmed from Jarmo Lehtinen, in Kristian Sohlberg's twitch, that Katsuta's test days are taken from the 21 day quota only for the rallies where he is running for manu points. In the rallies where he drives fourth car, he has an extra 7 day test quota (like Serderidis).
You obviously have no idea how expensive test days actually are.Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
How much is a Rally1 pr km, 500€?Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Pretty sure the man hours and renting the road are more expensive right?Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
You obviously have no idea how much more expensive, less value-for-money, and more unpleasant to work on for the team members it is, to go and compete on national rallies instead of running dedicated tests...Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
His point was entirely valid. What Turdfish propose in their latest podcast is madness. It should be the other way around, more testing days should be permitted (limit them to a number of fixed sessions in the year if necessary), but no current-generation cars should be used in national rallies. It's so much more expensive, and you can be sure that the teams will exploit that loophole to the maximum.
and then we can complain again about rally becoming a sport detached from the people!Quote:
Originally Posted by ouvreur
ps: "less value-for-money" that's hard to belive for me, if you account also the pr and engagement of a real rally. (i was at some regional rally with official teams and the number of people there only for wrc car and official drivers was huge)
Entry fee to a rally could be like 1000 euros, while renting and repairing a test road 15000 euros. What makes running a local rally more expensive? I understand there are things that might be tricky like if you get a technical problem on SS1, you're retired for the day and all the effort goes to waste while on a test day you could just tow the car to service and fix it. And testing on one road has its benefit for comparing data, but then again running more different roads could also have its benefits. A test day could give you more kilometres, and a local rally takes more liaison driving.
I don't think we should ban testing nor running in local rallies.
His "point" seemed to be that testing expenses don't matter much when the cars are 1-2 mil euro. That's entirely wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by ouvreur
Testing is the area where you can most easily use extra money to get extra performance benefit and it is really expensive.
Whether or not dedicated testing or running national rallies is more/less expensive is something else.
My point is that if you want to save money limiting testing is the simplest way to go. But it has to be done properly so that loopholes are avoided, cause teams always look for loopholes. (testing in large area around homebase, running national rallies etc.).
Yes if a team has lots of money they will always find an area where they can use it, but most other areas offer much less "performance per buck" and in most of them there are also strickt limits already (homologation jokers, engine freezes ++).
Big exaggeration, you can get a 5km gravel road with safety and emergancy services on site for 2500-3000€, at least here where I'm fromQuote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
I found it interesting what they said that, despite PET testing, Neuville so often finds his car set-up bad at the start of events and only gets it right by Saturday .. by which time he is behind.
Also that testing can often be more like practice for the driver rather than testing the car.
It should not be. It should concern two things:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
1. Finding the setup for a certain rally/rallies
2. Developing a new part