He should become a politician.Quote:
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He should become a politician.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
Fake news?
Ogier to Toyota...
https://www.rallyeslalom.com/ufficia...RnaksxYXOHafKI
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I was just about to post that one.
They really claim so, instead of speculating. But i don't know the reliability of that site or their sources
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Doesn’t seem to be reliable site to me at all
Haven’t even heard about it.
Nice way to get bookmarked in every rally fans browser. Even if it turns out to be some bullshit, still their readers base will increase.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Hearing some mutterings from a Citröen (not rally team) contact that this could well be true. The question is which came first.. Citröen deciding to leave, or Ogier deciding to leave.. remains to be seen.
I saw someone said it was rumored Ogier had spoken to the PSA boss and it was said there that for next year Citroën would run a third car with a driver capable of scoring "big points" and be allocated more funds. Hm.
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Considering Toyotas reliability issues, Missis Ogier should already start thinking of some moniker about Toyota to replace #shitroen in her tweets.
Considering how seriously japanese take all things related to ethics and honor, she will probably be decapitated by some samurai first time she uses it.
PS all above was meant as a joke. For those oversensitive ones who might be reading.
I'm having confirmation from reliable italian journalist about that news. Still not sure about to trust that or not but I think it's more than a clickbaiting article
Are you talking about this one? https://www.rallyssimo.it/2019/11/14...voluzione-wrc/Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
No. Talking about him https://twitter.com/MarcoGiordo/stat...80326604140544Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
Goodness, I hope this isn't true.
God I really hope so (that it won't happen), only 2 & a half teams for 2020, doesn't bode well for the future of the WRC, that's a minimum of 2 seats gone....Quote:
Originally Posted by tomhlord
For me, there way no way his wife would have made those remarks unless him not driving a Citroen in 2020 was already a done deal.
No surprise at all.
Massive shame that they are off again, but I am getting a bit sick of all the in and out that seems to go on, though I guess money is tight these days and where they are trying to go as a company (Citroen, not just PSA) doesn't tie in with a WRC marketing strategy.
Just praying Evans is also in that team and at least there's M-sport to soak up the best of the rest.
Yeah we are already lacking seats, 1 more team would be ideal with the current driver pool.
So to lose Citroen would be horrible. Even worse is that Msport are seemingly just wanting pay drivers now that they couldn't get Tanak.
Crazy, but expected
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The most worrying thing is, although there will be new regulations coming in 2022, no car manufacturer has put interest in the WRC, yes it's still 2 years from now but hopefully by May of next year we will get an announcement. I'm calling out on May because that's around the time VW said they would come back, back in 2011, and Toyota also expressed their interest in the WRC at that same period of time back in 2015.
Although I am a fan of seeing as many of these cars as possible on a stage, maybe another way to look at it would be that we have eight top-quality drivers in 2020, as opposed to eight top quality ones and a few stragglers (not naming names).
I would rather see the top three in genuine top three cars (let's face it, the Citroen was a shit-box for most of the year) so, with Tanak and Neuville in the Hyundais versus Ogier in a Toyota, it would well make for a better championship that we've seen in 2019.
Rather worrying overall though for the WRC, in the way a team seems to be able to pledge commitment and within a couple of weeks (seemingly) just change direction and leave.
Maybe it's time for a full review of attracting new teams to the sport, as whatever the current formula is, it's not working.
It seems it is true after all. So many rumors about it today.
Horrible news if indeed true.
and now coming from this: https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/1...ramme-in-doubtQuote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
It also may be boring like hell, when from 8 drivers only 3 are allowed to win because of team-tactics (can not imagine it to happen in Hyndai yet, but it will be there)Quote:
Originally Posted by T16
Ogier-Lappi-Rovanperä then?
Completely agree, and you have less room for youngsters to showcase themselves, not to mention rally drivers who were already sidelined. Where will Lappi go? just as an example.Quote:
Originally Posted by meh
What also is a bit surprising is that M-Sport is so silent. Usually they at least talk about "we don't have enough support from Ford to continue".
In case Citroen leaves, there is still M-Sport available. If we will see someone to rise and shine as surprise next year, it will be from M-Sport.
Jackson was replaced a few weeks ago.. slight inaccuracy, but still the same conclusion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
That would be a complete mess, if they were out too, but they have spoken recently about wanting to keep Evans for next year, so hopefully that’s a good sign.Quote:
Originally Posted by meh
.. and to help Mrs Kaiser, I invented new hashtag also: #exitroen
edit: #toyogier seems to be accurate as well
Yes I know, I think like a month ago....perhaps they are making way for Opel to comeback....although I know it sounds absurd, we'll know better about any of the company's future activity in WRC once the merge of PSA-FCA will take place in December, not talking about Citroen leaving before the 2020 season like what they plan to do in years to follow.Quote:
Originally Posted by T16
I wonder if Citroen R5 program continues or this will also be stopped?
They'll probably pull the plug on that too, make it a privateer thing, and that will be that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Indreq
is this the craziest silly season of all time ?
At least as crazy when VW pulled the plug.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
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We only heard rumours...on Citroën's website, she's still the CEO.Quote:
Originally Posted by T16
Must be, have been following the discipline since the end of 2007, can't recall a silly season as silly as this one. I mean Subaru & Suzuki leaving back at the end of 2008 was pretty dramatic but I think imho this topples that.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Lots of motoring press confirmed it a while ago. I honestly thought it was done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fredouye
Evans to be announced as a Toyota driver next week, according to Autosport. Cracking news.
It sounds like the move is on the cards, but it's not officially confirmed and it looks like for now she's still in the role. "Set to be..." https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/i...eo-reports-sayQuote:
Originally Posted by T16
Even on business medias (like Challenges or BFM), everything was conditional.Quote:
Originally Posted by T16
C'mon guys, lets calm down.Quote:
Originally Posted by T16
In the last couple of seasons we had, atleast from what I remember, the closest fights in the last decade. There is no clear superior car, the cars are spectacular and for a nice change the winner of a rally is no more guaranteed to be called Sebastien 95% of the time.
Citroen and PSA in general are undergoing big changes, now the FCA fusion and just recently the Opel deal.
After yesterday's Peugeot Lemans announcement I began doubting Citroens future programm in the WRC, they said nothing about that while mentioning the DS programm.
For me it makes sense for them to retire Citreon and think about a future involvement with another of their brands. Citroen literally has no hot-hatch or any sport derived road car on sale at the moment, it does not make promotional sense for them to be there, imo.
BTW, Peugeot Sport future Hybrid line-up would be very well promoted in an hybrid World Rally Championship 👀.
So Ogier, Evans, Rovanpera in TGR? Not bad lineup. Feel sorry for M-Sport, their best combination would probably be Meeke, Lappi and Breene, they dont even have to pay them probably? Even more sorry for Paddon, Latvala, Greensmith and R5 guys dreaming of stepping up.Quote:
Originally Posted by T16