Not so sure what to read into this. Sounds like a bit of demotion for Tommi?
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Not so sure what to read into this. Sounds like a bit of demotion for Tommi?
I would say promotion on a personal level but demotion on business level, since Toyota is not anymore buying WRC team operating service from Tommi, but using their own instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by T16
Interesting to see who will lead the team. Petter Solberg?
For me it seems that it was because of money. If the profits (before tax) for Tommi Mäkinen Racing Oy from the past previous years have been so high and let's not forget, there is also a salary (in 2017 it was 1.7 m€), then maybe they felt that they are being robbed. And as I understand from the article then even the Finnish and Estonian bases are taken away from Tommi. Please correct me if I'm wrong but the article said that "Both sites (Finnish base and Estonian) have been acquired by Toyota."
So it is more useful for Toyota to give some fancy position with base salary to Tommi than pay enormous money for him through rally.
Tommi Mäkinen Racing Oy
2017 - 67 m€ / 8.6m€ (turnover/profit before tax)
2018 - 60 m€ / 4.5 m€ (turnover/profit before tax)
2019 - 47.3 m€ / 3.8 m€ (turnover/profit before tax)
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...content_filter
Seems like toyota did buy out all Makinen's wrc business
What I wanted to add was that you just don't replace successful team principals. Horner has run RB in F1 15 years (since 2005), Toto also has had many years, so you don't want to break a winning combination.
Well it says Toyota basically bought TMR so on a business level this could have been a jackpot for TommiQuote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Until this, Toyota has paid TMR for running their WRC cars. Now Toyota is using their own team to run their WRC cars. And a part of this new team facilities and personnel were acquired from TMR.
Yeah. It's always a question of when to sell your business. It's probably a good deal for Tommi, it could be that in few years the business isn't as big-scaled as it is now.Quote:
Originally Posted by AMSS
interesting finding.. since 30th July 2020 the Tommi Mäkinen Racing Oü (Estonian side company) has third management board member, an Estonian lawyer. So something is clearly happening, why else would they bring a lawyer to the management..
This lawyer has formerly worked as company liquidator...Quote:
Originally Posted by TypeR
This "liquidator" role can be just because you have closed one of your companies in registry. I have the same role for one of the company which I closed and never been doing any "liquidator" activities.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
From the article they say that this move was the intention all along, that being the case it is a justification that the job has been done well in the eyes of Toyota.
It actually makes sense that they used TMR to establish the rally team, and now that has been done bring it inside the Toyota factory umbrella.
It may have nothing to do with it, but the timing is suspicious, is that with the move from LMP1 Hybrid to Hypercar for the WEC programme, there should be a decent chunk of budget possible to use elsewhere as the projected budgets to run a programme are massively less for Hypercar compared with LMP1 Hybrid.
Where`s the logic with the WEC budget. If anything, running their own operation would have been cheaper than buying it from third parties.
Also i find it hard to believe that a succesful TMGbh, winners of the past WRC events, with big options, couldn`t arrange some engineers like Fowler for instance, in their German base. Could be wrong ofc, but imho there is something more behind it, than the "original plan".
Maybe a polite and respectful way to reduce expenses, as COVID hit everything hard, they have the capability of running the show themselves, hire those people, hence no need to pay a lot extra.
This is a surprising 180º turn and no matter the nice words it sounds suspicious. Just like in 2015, when Makinen was appointed Toyota’s WRC chief (getting the program from TMG), no proper motive is mentioned on the PR, making one wondering why is now Mr. Toyoda splitting up with Makinen.
Btw, moving the WRC program back to TMG (now called TGR Europe) will probably make Finland and Estonian bases redundant; it's not hard to imagine all TGR WRC operations gathered in Cologne state-of-the-art facilities on a near future.
not a surprise at all....
all i know for sure, N.O.T will be now happier whereever he is at the moment :D
Why isn't it a surprise for you?Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
somebody doesnt tell the truth.Hard to believe thatMakinen will used to
'' such as the development of motorsports-bred GR vehicles, strategic planning of motorsport activities, and driver talent development''
Quote:
Originally Posted by AMSS
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/exclu...ota-departure/Quote:
TMR will stay with me, TMR will remain and continue contracted directly with TMC. It’s going to work in motorsport and some other areas. There might be quite a lot of decent topics, but more or less I’m working directly with TMC and Akio [Toyoda, TMC president].
This is sort of like if Ford started to run their own WRC program and bought all the WRC development from M-Sport (and hired Wilson as some advisor), but M-Sport would still remain doing all the other business they've been doing.
https://www.rallit.fi/onko-tassa-toy...seuraajakseen/
Mäkinen has recommended Kaj Lindström as his successor as a team boss
Biggest factor why TGR will stay at Jyväskylä:
Testing opportunies, they can test "freely" near HQ, Cologne (Köln) is not good for that.
Tommi said in Jyväskylä´s local newspaper today that Hybrid rallycars will be manufactured in Jyväskylä.
and they need more space for that.
He said "New unknown place inside Jyväskylä, not in current Puuppola "factory"
Toyota's WRC stable will move to this building in Jyväskylä.
https://translate.google.fi/translat...d-d824b0723970
I´m sure Pantealex knows the location already. Right, Paavo?Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
https://toimitilat.kauppalehti.fi/Description/188008698Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
https://www.upload.ee/image/12334373/tgr.jpg
Tommi Mäkinen believes that this year’s World Rally Championship could have been “boring” had Ott Tänak stayed with the team...
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/makin...ak-hadnt-left/
Been there few times in past.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
It´s 200m from LIDL store (one which is beside Vaajakoski motorway)
Tommi lives about 1-1,5km from new factory.
Tommi pays Tanak loss. Japs arent stupids.
Yep, hard to come up with any other conclusion. Most likely Akio Toyoda has checked the current championship standings in his Tokyo office and realized how bad it looks for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by spyros
How big are the organizations in Finland and Estonia in number of people employed?
Is the HQ in Estonia just a logistic base, or are more tasks done from there?
Normal maintenance of the WRC cars between events. Development and testing is done in Finland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
And all cars registered in Estonia. Cheeper taxes...Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
There’s no doubt that Makinen did a fantastic job leading Toyota’s WRC program but that actually makes his exit even more strange; btw, in TTE precedent Ove Andersson continued to lead the team (for a long time) after selling it to Toyota.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Andruet
Anyway, what mostly matter is to have Toyota increasing their Rally involvement, as it now seems assured.
https://www.evo.co.uk/toyota/yaris/2...he-nurburgring
New hardcore road car or rally car mule ?
I like the plates.
New TMR..Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
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Seems most sites speculate its the 'hardcore road car'...
"This prototype boasts canards on its front bumper and an upsized rear wing, suggesting that it might be the GRMN variant, rather than the "basic" GR Yaris.
GRMN stands for "Gazoo Racing Meisters of the Nürburgring," after all, so it makes all the sense in the world that Toyota's motorsports development specialists would take their prototype to its namesake road course."
Makes sense; there's no roll cage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Getting a bit sad thinking that this is the last rally we have Mākinen as top boss in the Toyota team.
He is such a star under interviews. And Him and Adamao is a bit alike, with emotions on the outside.
I will miss him!
Who is taking over from him, was it Kaj Lindstrøm?
New Boss is not announced yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Tommi did say that team needs Kaj in his current position...
Speaking about the car, will they switch to GR Yaris or stay with the old one..??
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