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The 799million figure I got from this article - http://www.motoring.com.au/motorspor...d-views-48996/
There's also one specifically about the Australian round - http://www.rallyaustralia.com.au/glo...lly-australia/
And some data from the past. 2002 - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/31147
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Television has many different statistical "outputs" and you can always manipulate statistics. Ratings, reach, share, etc. Just read the first article to see how other sports are doing.
In your counts you are assuming that every single person, with no exception, just watch one single day coverage and then stop following WRC forever.
Please guys I don't want to think there are people who believes it or just think it can be true somehow
If I watch (a) the event preview, (b) Shakedown report, (c) Day one highlights, (d) Day two highlights, (e) Day three highlights and then (f) the Event final overview I count as 6 watches and not as 1 watcher who has seen 6 different packages.
Figures don't lie but liars can figure.
That number scared me for a moment... i thought i was a pleb liking a thing that the majority likes... but mk2 put things in perspective and order and so i can enjoy my master race status once more.
Where do You get shakedown report, that's new for me?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mk2 RS2000
Sébastien Loeb entry to Vosges Rallye Festival this august with ... 205T16 => http://goo.gl/HwgM5c
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/ne...atest-pictures
At first I was confused at the title of the story being '2018' Fiesta, but perhaps they're employing the illogical US model year tradition... Anyway, for an 'early 2017 launch' will there be enough numbers produced for homologation by late Jan? When does the homologation number actually need to be achieved?
BTW what is the homologation number these days?
If I remember well, the Lada Vesta WTCC was homologated before the production began. So an agreement with FIA might allow them to use that car if that's the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack4688`
I can't remember the details but wasn't that the issue Hyundai had with the 3 door version of the new i20?
yes but check autoexpress about that year 2018, http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/ford/fi...nd-fresh-spies it's 2017 so...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack4688`
btw has anyone seen this? http://www.autosport.com/news/report...-wrc-rules-row
Yes, but no-one says anything as all have to hate Ogier and call him a whinger... even when Loeb says he's right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
Nice to see Ogier agreeing with my view that qualifying was the best solution.
Hahahaha, does he agree with you personally Eddie? :D
Loeb has a point but then speaks total bollocks by comparing it to a 100m sprint - a sport which inherently is on equal track conditions, something that rallying can never be.
Track yes, but what if there is a side wind, then the athletes from aside will keep others from it. But this is one of the things You can't avoid, it's not like to mount power vents there on purpose to disadvantage some of them, right? Who decides who will run on which track number in such case, and what influence it'll have upon the whole race and each individual performance?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack4688`
Ogier agrees with whatever view Ogier thinks will result in Ogier winning the most. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
I haven't noticed anybody here who would argue that current rules are fair. The point is that there are plenty of reasons why fair rules are often unwelcomed from the promoter and that under certain conditions fair rules can easily kill the marketing value of said championship which is something what naturally no rulling body wants.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
By the way handicaps are British invention already from 18th century horse racing ;)
So, what are they promoting? The sport or artificial competition (well, "competition" term is quite over estimated)? I know "everybody must be happy" = socialism/communism, is the best social order in theory, but we all know already it doesn't work in practice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
BTW, I wonder how much 2017 cars will devaluate this problem. I think there will be in some degree, but how much I guess we just have to wait and see.
I only told You how it is. You won't change it by writting anything on the internet.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
It has totally nothing to do with Your socialism/communism thinking. This idea first appeared in heavily capitalistic society of Great Britain during the industiral revolution and it appeared in the circles of the richest class of people. Since then it's been used in various forms for 300 years. Personally I wouldn't dare to say that something doesn't work in practise if it's been used for three centuries.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
2017 cars will change nothing on the general principles. They give everybody a new starting pointing or a new motivation if You want to call it like that. If no results come in two-three years the unsuccessful team is going to leave unless some new motivation is introduced. By result I don't mean only sporting results but also economical/marketing results which can't be precisely evaluated by any external beholder.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
I just find it crazy how in circuit racing to handicap cars they use added weight systems and in rallying we have a such a perfect natural system that is already embedded and a part of the sport since its very beginning in that the fastest seeded driver starts first. And here people are trying to say it's creating artifical handicap when it's the way it always has been. But in saying that I do think the best solution or compromise in this case is the Qualifying stage. Or that the number 1 seed only opens the rally on the first day. With no splits in the cars now slowing down in the stage to gain a better road order is near impossible. Sport will never be 100% fair and that's why we love it. It's about overcoming the challenges that are put in front of you.
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I don't profess to know what the solution is but, as you say, there is a natural handicap in rallying i.e. the road conditions. Ogier may be right about how much the handicap is placed on the championship leader (though, like a true champion, he is arrogant enough to say it is him personally who is handicapped), but why complain about leading the championship and having to deal with worse conditions?
Someone has to drive first on the road and it just seems illogical to say "you've won the first couple rounds, now we're giving you further advantage". In circuit racing you have the age old problem of the fastest car qualifying first and therefore likely leading from the front but at least that pole posiition has to be earned at each race weekend.
He's not saying he should run at the back though, unless I've missed something; qualifying was fine, but as you say that meant the road position was earned. I'm sure he'd be fine with first day in championship order and that seems like the fairest way, although personally I'd prefer it to just go back to seedings.
Do we need another driver who wins another 9 championships in the row?! I don't think so. With fair rules Ogier is another decade winner. It's not about rules, it's about wrong choose of drivers when they can not win against Ogier any other way then with stupid rules. So it can stay this way (2 days of cleaning) or they can put weight balast, I don't care. Let it be interesting...
I prefer to see the best driver win even if it is for 10 or 20 years in a row rather than see masterless dogs do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
I want to see the best driver win – if that means he wins all the time - then TOUGH!!
It’s up to the others to raise their game.
Why do motorsport series think handicapping is the solution? If it’s because they fear interest will drop then the sport has already got a problem – and rules tinkering is not the solution. It’s yet another short term fix…….
Qualifying was the ‘least worst’ solution – but Ogier still won, which is not what they want.
Something is wrong when you start an event, and you know the best driver is unlikely to win because he’s handicapped by running first on the road on dry, dusty gravel for two days.
It’s no good comparing it to the old days because the events back then were far longer & tougher; time lost could be made up in the next few days; in modern sprint events there’s no chance, especially with the ridiculously short final Sunday.
I find it poor show. May be people not so interested in the sport finds it interesting to have different winners, but the spectacle watching speed is suffering.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
QS is fine, opening the road first day is fine covering 30-40% of the rally (as soon they run reverse next days), but opening the road 80% of the rally is ridiculous.
The rules shouldn't be there to hinder Ogier's performance, he is the best currently and deserves to carry the number 1 on his car. It should be there because that is the way rallying is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
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Here's a provocative question with emphasis on the second part. Why should we favor the fastest and disfavor the slower ones?
Here is an alternative way of thinking.
How about change the order of rallies not the running order
The current rallies go Monte, Snow, Altitude, Gravel, Gravel Gravel Gravel Gravel Asphalt Asphalt Asphalt Mixed Gravel Gravel
Imagine if rallies went Monte, Snow, Altitude, Gravel, Gravel Asphalt Gravel Asphalt Gravel Mixed Gravel Asphalth Gravel Gravel
Generally first on road is advantage on asphalt and disadvantage on gravel. Would mixing up order of events to alternate advantage disadvantage from road position create a much more interesting and fairer season without needing to change start order
I realize this is just wild thinking and tehre may be many reason why it could
Was seeding per event how they did it up until the late '90s? I seem to remember Sainz and McRae complaining about running order in Australia around '98-'99
Colin Clark twitter
3 car teams for 2017. My predictions. @Petter_Solberg @GronholmM will win rallies. Maybe even Marko and Tommi. Portugal will be interesting
@planetemarcus @Petter_Solberg @GronholmM they will be in demand next year
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Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
Colin should stop smoking whatever he is smoking.
And stop drinking what ever he's drinking!
Agreed. He's got to be taking the piss surely.Quote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
There are more than enough capable drivers around without having to go searching the retirement homes.
Colin should get rid of that addiction to pink things to start with. And maybe try to think before posting.
In terms of interest of the championship there not much to argue against the rule.Quote:
Originally Posted by stefanvv
With the rule we had 3 differente winners on the last 3 rallyes. Without the rule we would had 3 more rallyes won by Ogier.
There's not much to discuss about how the rule is good to the interest of the championship
In the rally of Portugal i talked with a lot of people form the WRC about that, and no one (except Capito, Ogier and some ) said that the rule is bad to the WRC. Even the old ones as Ari Vatanen who said the WRC needs new winners e new fights to be interesting.
No one said that purely in sport matters the rule is fair, but a balance is needed, and what we have is better than Ogier winning all the rallyes. Not perfect, but better.
It's inevitable that someone try to level up a bit the situation. But these rules have gone too far.
Bring back 2014. Ogier didn't won every rally back then, we were all happy.
And don't forget that the last 4-5 rallys are good for the driver who open the road, which makes things even worse.
The current rule of championship leader running first car for the first two days needs changing. Just get it back to championship leader running 1st car on the opening day and be done with it. Personally don't like the qualifying stage (although it's probably the fairest way) as I don't think it should be part of rallying
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Championship leader runs 1st on day one. Day 2 and 3, rally order. That is proper rallying and how it should be.
The current rule is to make the championship seem more interesting, but we all know that Ogier should win every really.
Hmm no. I have bad memories about this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doon