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15th February 2015, 20:56
Mintexmemory

Plenty of time for it to sink in and despite the infantile and ignorant responses I've seen from various posts I see no reason to change my view. A true champion pulled out the stops and performed when it mattered. Those of you who keep flaming Ogier,(most of whom aren't anglophones) ask yourselves 'how good would I be at the end of a stage with the adrenalin high, answering questions in a foreign language?' Mikkelsen drove a good rally but ultimately couldn't defend half a minute lead. He will only ever win if both Ogier and Latvala both hit major trouble late in an event. Meanwhile the season will be decided , make or break in the next round.
15th February 2015, 21:15
J.Lindstroem

Quote:

Originally Posted by rallyper

@j.lindstrom you should read once again between the lines what john is trying to say in his first quote about our n.o.t. Boy. Your latest quote is not proper enough to be said.

John has many points in what he said.

Well i don't agree.
15th February 2015, 21:18
danon

Look at those eyes...

NOW! he is ready fight.

The Monte friendship won't last long.

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Originally Posted by KKS

Whole rally Sweden in one photo
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B95L8pOIIAA9waF.png

http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com...50125-3039.jpg
15th February 2015, 21:20
dimviii

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mintexmemory

ask yourselves 'how good would I be at the end of a stage with the adrenalin high, answering questions in a foreign language?'

as we can see from last 20 years,Loeb,Gronholm,Makkinen,McRae,Burns,Sainz,Sol berg was very easy to dont ridicule themselves at stage ends even when they had lost this stage or the whole rally.
So yes Ogier has a ego problem.Deal with it.We have plenty excuses from Ogier,there is no need more from Ogier fans.
15th February 2015, 21:30
sollitt

Quote:

Originally Posted by J.Lindstroem

Sure N.O.T is negative, ignorant and shows nothing put a great contempt for other members. But i'm afraid that doesn't give you the right to put a big red FAIL on him as a human being.

Yes, it does actually !
15th February 2015, 21:33
J.Lindstroem

Quote:

Originally Posted by sollitt

Yes, it does actually !

No.
15th February 2015, 21:36
Mintexmemory

Quote:

Originally Posted by dimviii

as we can see from last 20 years,Loeb,Gronholm,Makkinen,McRae,Burns,Sainz,Sol berg was very easy to dont ridicule themselves at stage ends even when they had lost this stage or the whole rally.
So yes Ogier has a ego problem.Deal with it.We have plenty excuses from Ogier,there is no need more from Ogier fans.

Actually you have a selective memory McRae and Sainz have both been egocentric in post-stage interviews.
I can't speak for Makkinen but in common with Gronholm and Solberg they have a different and understated nordic way of replying to questions. Of course the golden idol never actually said anything worth printing as he had a vast array of platitudes at his disposal. Possibly, why people who know a bit about PR coaching got bored with 'Loebspeak'.
15th February 2015, 21:37
dimviii

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Originally Posted by PLuto

Hello, I dont know if it was mentioned here and search button is not working for me... But I have one question. There is still winning time of Yuriy Protasov on SS 6, but I dont believe it. He was surprisingly fast this Rally Sweden, but this time is completely out of "sense". From beginning I thought it was timekeepers mistake and I am surprised they didnt repaired it. Does anybody have any information regarding his time on this stage?

Pluto at stage 6 if you watch,there is also Kubica with a good time(3rd just 3,1 sec behind Protasov) while at other stages Kubica was much more slower.
maybe the start order with a combination with a advantage for pirelli tyres for this stage?

at stage 9 Protasov lost only 10,4 sec at 14,76 km
at stage 7 lost only 12,1 sec at 20,76 km
at stage 10(ss Karlstad) has 4th time infront of plenty works crews.again mistake?
at stage 15 lost 11,3 at 18km
at stage 17(again ss) had 3rd time overall

dont underestimate pirelli tyres,that they didnt want to give their effort at wrc last years because they entered at f1,doesnt mean they dont have good tyres.That very few drivers use them, doesn t mean something about their speed/competitiveness,because there are other reasons for that.
As i have said plenty of times,at plenty of occasions they are much better than michelins.
Pitty that a works team doesn t use them.Maybe we had some nice surprises at stages or rallies,that will spicy up these boring years.
15th February 2015, 21:44
mousti

http://www.motorsport.com/wrc/news/p...medium=twitter
15th February 2015, 21:46
dimviii

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mintexmemory

Actually you have a selective memory McRae and Sainz have both been egocentric in post-stage interviews.

No you have selective memory.
are you talking about their team orders at Ford? if yes i dont talk about one problem or two,in 10-15 years of rallying.
I talk about continious moaning stage by stage,rally by rally,year by year, even if he has advantage.Moaning even when he was closing his gps sensor.

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Originally Posted by Mintexmemory

I can't speak for Makkinen but in common with Gronholm and Solberg they have a different and understated nordic way of replying to questions.

Loeb and Ogier had same language,but that didn t helped Ogier to dont ridicule himself.
Not a good excuse...

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Originally Posted by Mintexmemory

Of course the golden idol never actually said anything worth printing as he had a vast array of platitudes at his disposal. Possibly, why people who know a bit about PR coaching got bored with 'Loebspeak'.

Master doesnt had to ridicule himself at interviews.He ridiculed everybody at stages.
That it was boring for you, because he didnt moan for years, when he was cleaning all gravel rallies,that is not boring for most people.
Thats why when he appears at rallies,even at Ogiers birthtown,you see 10 times more people at park service at Loebs car.
Can you guess whats the problem?
15th February 2015, 22:11
N.O.T

so ogier won, pity for the mistake by Mikkelsen, i actually like him because we are both handsome and i like handsome people... nice performance by Nauville.

So let me get this straight in my head...

for 9 years we had a french guy peeing in the nordiks carpet inside their beautiful warm house... he did it in Sweden, in norway, in finland... and then *poof* he goes away, and the Nordiks are happy once more... " NO MORE PEE INSIDE OUR HOUSES" they yelled in excitement... "WE ARE THE KINGS OF OUR CARPETS ONCE MORE"

and then Ogier comes... and here is my question..

when you question the motives of God upon earth more ? when you see the situation in somalia ? or when you see the french pee in your carpet once more ?

can you please start filtering out your drivers based on skill instead of rich daddys ?? otherwise its another 10 years of french pee all over the place...
15th February 2015, 22:16
Toyoda

Quote:

Originally Posted by N.O.T

so ogier won, pity for the mistake by Mikkelsen, i actually like him because we are both handsome and i like handsome people... nice performance by Nauville.

So let me get this straight in my head...

for 9 years we had a french guy peeing in the nordiks carpet inside their beautiful warm house... he did it in Sweden, in norway, in finland... and then *poof* he goes away, and the Nordiks are happy once more... " NO MORE PEE INSIDE OUR HOUSES" they yelled in excitement... "WE ARE THE KINGS OF OUR CARPETS ONCE MORE"

and then Ogier comes... and here is my question..

when you question the motives of God upon earth more ? when you see the situation in somalia ? or when you see the french pee in your carpet once more ?

can you please start filtering out your drivers based on skill instead of rich daddys ?? otherwise its another 10 years of french pee all over the place...

Least Norway did better than the brits hu, in fact even NZ did...honestly though, as a fan its all about having a great fight which we had...
15th February 2015, 22:18
N.O.T

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toyoda

Least Norway did better than the brits hu, in fact even NZ did...honestly though, as a fan its all about having a great fight which we had...

there are no brits in rallying... for one it is too late and for the other its too early and it doesn't look good.
15th February 2015, 22:19
Barreis

Hahaha, we all have member, senior member and NOT has God...
15th February 2015, 22:29
sollitt

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Originally Posted by J.Lindstroem

No.

Yes.
15th February 2015, 22:31
PLuto

Quote:

Originally Posted by dimviii

Pluto at stage 6 if you watch,there is also Kubica with a good time(3rd just 3,1 sec behind Protasov) while at other stages Kubica was much more slower.
maybe the start order with a combination with a advantage for pirelli tyres for this stage?

at stage 9 Protasov lost only 10,4 sec at 14,76 km
at stage 7 lost only 12,1 sec at 20,76 km
at stage 10(ss Karlstad) has 4th time infront of plenty works crews.again mistake?
at stage 15 lost 11,3 at 18km
at stage 17(again ss) had 3rd time overall

dont underestimate pirelli tyres,that they didnt want to give their effort at wrc last years because they entered at f1,doesnt mean they dont have good tyres.That very few drivers use them, doesn t mean something about their speed/competitiveness,because there are other reasons for that.
As i have said plenty of times,at plenty of occasions they are much better than michelins.
Pitty that a works team doesn t use them.Maybe we had some nice surprises at stages or rallies,that will spicy up these boring years.

I dont count super special stages in Karlstad (and similar ones), it is very short and specific stage which should be won by Tidemand (this year) or Prokop (with S2000 in the past). But I was comparing mainly SS 5 and 6, which were on same road. Most of the crews were slower in second lap and if there was somebody faster (like Kubica), it was only in tenths of seconds. But Protasov was faster for 9 seconds, which is more than one second per km. And it was only on this stage, on all other stages he returned to his normal.

So I am only telling, that on first view this time and improving comparing to other drivers and other stages is not in normal level.
15th February 2015, 22:35
dimviii

top 5 jumps at Colins Crest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lUr...ature=youtu.be
15th February 2015, 22:40
Rallyper

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Originally Posted by J.Lindstroem

No.

I think you are overreacting a bit. John told you the truth. NOT never will be no more than a spice on this forum.
15th February 2015, 22:40
N.O.T

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Originally Posted by sollitt

Yes.

stop arguing about other peoples personalities, it gives them the fake feeling of importance and makes you seem insignificant...

you are making me blush naughty boys.
15th February 2015, 22:45
dimviii

nice Meeke photo
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B96pOncIIAIUY7Q.jpg
15th February 2015, 23:20
KKS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kye8PHynukU - Hyundai Day3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQb-T7WGmUM -SS20/21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLepD9fqScI - Rammen (2nd half - extremely fast corner)
15th February 2015, 23:22
KKS

Quote:

Originally Posted by PLuto

Hello, I dont know if it was mentioned here and search button is not working for me... But I have one question. There is still winning time of Yuriy Protasov on SS 6, but I dont believe it. He was surprisingly fast this Rally Sweden, but this time is completely out of "sense". From beginning I thought it was timekeepers mistake and I am surprised they didnt repaired it. Does anybody have any information regarding his time on this stage?

He has some up's and down's. Stage a short, they repeat after first run, so he know it. He collect all up's and set fastest time. On other staages they balanced with "down's"
15th February 2015, 23:37
dimviii

Neuvilles close call
https://twitter.com/MxMansson/status...493312/video/1
16th February 2015, 01:12
AdvEvo

Because of arrogant ogier wins i loose interest in rally.
First Solberg and Loeb, and now kubica and Neuville keeps me on track watching rally.
16th February 2015, 02:11
stefanvv

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Originally Posted by AdvEvo

Because of arrogant ogier wins i loose interest in rally.

He doesn't win by arrogance does he? All is about driving, and seems it is personal taste someone would like it or not.... No problem for Ogier & VW I suppose they don't win (Loeb+) fans.
16th February 2015, 03:23
sollitt

Quote:

Originally Posted by N.O.T

stop arguing about other peoples personalities, it gives them the fake feeling of importance and makes you seem insignificant...

you are making me blush naughty boys.

Don't flatter yourself NOT. Nobody is arguing about your personality, merely Jan's right to comment. No need to blush.
16th February 2015, 06:43
J.Lindstroem

Quote:

Originally Posted by sollitt

Don't flatter yourself NOT. Nobody is arguing about your personality, merely Jan's right to comment. No need to blush.

Actually i don't care so much about this. I just wanted some reaction from janvanvurpa. Sorry about that. rallyper, i guess you are right - i'm not thrustworthy at all!

But you know what? Sue me! I don't give f*ck anymore! Haha!!
16th February 2015, 07:35
pino

Are we done with stupid personal comments? We are here to talk rallying not members personality and childish attitude !
16th February 2015, 09:52
Karukera

Ogier comes from a rough region where people speak their guts out all day long. Call that how you want.
Well done Ogier and FX D for leading VW charge. Frankreich über alles !
16th February 2015, 10:26
A FONDO

Quote:

Originally Posted by dimviii

as we can see from last 20 years,Loeb,Gronholm,Makkinen,McRae,Burns,Sainz,Sol berg was very easy to dont ridicule themselves at stage ends even when they had lost this stage or the whole rally.
So yes Ogier has a ego problem.Deal with it.We have plenty excuses from Ogier,there is no need more from Ogier fans.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.n...28858328_o.jpg :D
16th February 2015, 11:16
N.O.T

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdvEvo

Because of arrogant ogier wins i loose interest in rally.
First Solberg and Loeb, and now kubica and Neuville keeps me on track watching rally.

if you watch this sports because of the people and not the sport itself sooner or later you would become bored/annoyed... so better late than never.
16th February 2015, 11:30
spyros

Quote:

Originally Posted by N.O.T

if you watch this sports because of the people and not the sport itself sooner or later you would become bored/annoyed... so better late than never.

I dont agree with you,people plays a serius role at all things.I dont remember any other champ being hated as much as Ogier,shame!
16th February 2015, 11:33
N.O.T

yes they do play a serious role, but to watch a rally/pingpong/boxing because of a person and not because of the spectacle then sooner or later you are going to get bored.

I do not mind anything about Ogier, he just speaks his mind... people are mad because he is taking the place of Loeb. Loeb was hated as well and was the most humble sportsman ever.
16th February 2015, 11:34
AL14

Quote:

Originally Posted by N.O.T

if you watch this sports because of the people and not the sport itself sooner or later you would become bored/annoyed... so better late than never.

Although I would have said it in a nicer way I agree with the idea that we can't put driver's character's before the sport himself. Ogier is annoying 'cause he wins everytime not 'cause he is arrogant imo.
Said that, he could be a bit less ego-man and stop whining like a princess.
End AdvEvo, you should have more interest in rally if you don't like him, waiting for someone who will beat him. That will be a very nice day for you :)
16th February 2015, 13:25
AdvEvo

Monaco first stage with Loeb winning was just awesome AL14!!!
16th February 2015, 15:10
tommeke_B

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9-Hzl1IMAEks8y.jpg:large
Kubica taking the wrong line and cutting a snowbank before a jump, was quite spectacular you could say... :)

Had a great Rally Sweden. Epic battle and great spectacle, very impressed by the pace (and clean style) of Neuville, who knows what will happen when Hyundai brings out a more competitive i20 WRC... Also Abbring was very impressive regarding his experience on these conditions and with this type of car. I'll write some short resume and upload some more photos later. ;)
16th February 2015, 15:41
SubaruNorway

My video from a fantastic Rally Sweden, i think i got every possible type of corner covered this time! :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNB3DbKyRO4
16th February 2015, 16:05
MartijnS

Good video, bit too long to watch completely, but very nice spots. Great jump the fast one.
16th February 2015, 16:51
dimviii

Answers from Meeke
http://www.krismeeke.com/news/2015-0...f-rally-sweden

first Mc Rae podium at 16/2/1992 2nd at Sweden
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B99GiOOIYAAaeQm.jpg
16th February 2015, 16:55
Karukera

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdvEvo

Monaco first stage with Loeb winning was just awesome AL14!!!

Nobody's questionning that and Ogier showed the same panache with his full attack on sunday.

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