Fuel issue- No penalty for BMW/Williams- McLaren to appeal

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Originally Posted by tamburello

Because there is a big difference between the legal system of a country and the rules of a club.

The FIA Formula One World Championship is a club, not a legal system.

Mclaren signed up to be a member of the club when they signed the current Concorde Agreement and entered into the F1 championship.

Therefore, like every other club where membership is voluntary, the FIA can pretty much run itself the way it likes.

If Mclaren didn't know that, then at best they are niave. If Mclaren did know this, which seems the most plausible, then they knew what they were getting themselves into.

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yes ok..But does it anywhere says.....legaly obtained information can't be used ?

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Originally Posted by TL

yes ok..But does it anywhere says.....legaly obtained information can't be used ?

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It wasn't legally obtained :rolleyes: Your mother didn't tell you NOT to go to Argentina and swim in a vat full of strawberry yoghurt. Doesn't mean you should go and do it.

Back to the fuel...

In 1983, the fuel samples taken from the Brabham-BMW's of Nelson Piquet & Riccardo Patrese at the title-deciding South African GP were found to be above the specified octane-rating.

Nelson Piquet had just snatched the title from Alain Prost and the Renault team by 2 points, Prost having had a lead of 12 points with 4 races to go.

Renault, who could have appealed and would probably have won the appeal (speculation, but at the time FISA had a French president not known for his anglophile sympathies and at war with Brabhams owner...one Mr Ecclestone, no less).

Renault decided not to appeal, on the basis that they did not want to win the title in the courts.

If only Ron Dennis had that kind of integrity instead of being a duplicious hypocrite.

Mercedes-Benz must be so embarrassed.

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Originally Posted by TL

yes ok..But does it anywhere says.....legaly obtained information can't be used ?

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I should also point out that industrial espionage is a criminal offense.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

It wasn't legally obtained :rolleyes: Your mother didn't tell you NOT to go to Argentina and swim in a vat full of strawberry yoghurt. Doesn't mean you should go and do it.

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again..what's ilegall when someone within a team..gives out info...

if Mcl..would have hired someone to infiltrate within Ferrari and spy for them ok..I would agree....But that's not the case...

also...when an employee from one team moves to another ( fe a driver or engineer) and they reveal info they gathered the previous season from the old team..they can be seen as spies ?

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Originally Posted by TL

again..what's ilegall when someone within a team..gives out info...

if Mcl..would have hired someone to infiltrate within Ferrari and spy for them ok..I would agree....But that's not the case...

also...when an employee from one team moves to another ( fe a driver or engineer) and they reveal info they gathered the previous season from the old team..they can be seen as spies ?

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You're speculating. The evidence is there in that PDF. Lets discuss evidence and not speculate as to whether the coriolis effect (or some other such nonsensical argument) has something to do with it.

It should also be pointed out that when a designer moves team they're usually put on gardening leave so anything they know is probably months old and therefore useless.

Getting back to the "cool fuel" issue, I think Max ought to fine Williams and BMW-Sauber $1.00 each. In addition, as Ralf has worked for both Williams and BMW, there is the possibility he could have been the genius behind the cooling scheme. Ralf shall therefore be banned from F1 for the 2008 season.

To avoid future problems with ridiculous technical regulations that seem to defy proper testing, I will accept $22 million from Max and appoint a twenty member panel of my choosing from this forum to review, delete, add, or revise the technical regulations for the 2008 season. We shall also publish a schedule of penalties that shall be applied upon proof of violation of a regulation. The FIA, teams, and driver's shall have no input or vote on the final specifications.

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Originally Posted by tamburello

Back to the fuel...

In 1983, the fuel samples taken from the Brabham-BMW's of Nelson Piquet & Riccardo Patrese at the title-deciding South African GP were found to be above the specified octane-rating.

Nelson Piquet had just snatched the title from Alain Prost and the Renault team by 2 points, Prost having had a lead of 12 points with 4 races to go.

Renault, who could have appealed and would probably have won the appeal (speculation, but at the time FISA had a French president not known for his anglophile sympathies and at war with Brabhams owner...one Mr Ecclestone, no less).

Renault decided not to appeal, on the basis that they did not want to win the title in the courts.

If only Ron Dennis had that kind of integrity instead of being a duplicious hypocrite.

Mercedes-Benz must be so embarrassed.

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If you know things haven't been legal in any way or the other..you should make an appeal..if it's the first or the last GP..doesn't matter...rules are rules..for everyone...If you don't make an appeal..U basicaly agree for teams to cheat...and what's goin to happen than ?

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Originally Posted by TL

If you know things haven't been legal in any way or the other..you should make an appeal..if it's the first or the last GP..doesn't matter...rules are rules..for everyone...If you don't make an appeal..U basicaly agree for teams to cheat...and what's goin to happen than ?

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It's called sportsmanship.

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Originally Posted by TL

where was the 100% prove it the whole "spy-gate" affair ? And still McL got punished for it ! Is it because I have plans at home on how to make a bomb I have to be prosecuted for being a terrorist ? Don't think so..But guess I will never understand the FIA logic anyway !

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Actually, if you have plans for a bomb at home, you in are in deep shyte already.