2016 Silly Season

Kubica getting ready for RMC 2016. Not continuing is a waste of earlier seasons, he says.

http://www.emotorsport.se/nyheter.ph...yhets_id=11427

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Originally Posted by dimviii

you cant compare pirellis with Kubica-Prokop and fiestas,against Ogier with polo and michelins and have a safe conclusion.
somebody else can say that Kubica with private fiesta was plenty of times faster than works fiestas with michelins.
Pirelli at some terrains/surfaces are better.And these are measured with same car/driver.These tests were at asphalt and gravel.Its not something new,its something that happens for years.Some years depenting from tyre evolutions,michelins were overall better,some years were pirelli overall better.
Except these tests there are also real world examples from gravel and asphalt worldwide.

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You are not reading what I wrote, the problem with Pirellis is not pure speed but more consistency, as I said they are fast over a short test probably on any surface (especially wet gravel, and Snow but also tarmac) the problem is the performance drops rapidly compared to Michelin. If you don`t believe me ask the drivers mentioned!! And I wasn`t comparing to Ogier I was making an overall comparison! But this is not the thread to discuss this.

Abbring http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/novem...4--12-12-.html


but what a boring monday, was hoping to see some news from Ostberg or M-sport or both.

A few vague details on Abbring's programme for 2016. Looks like he'll be lucky to get 2-3 rounds.

http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/novem...4--12-12-.html

Reading between the lines it looks like the ERC could be in for a nice boost.

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Originally Posted by AMSS

You are not reading what I wrote, the problem with Pirellis is not pure speed but more consistency, as I said they are fast over a short test probably on any surface (especially wet gravel, and Snow but also tarmac) the problem is the performance drops rapidly compared to Michelin.

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that was happening before 3-4 years,not now,and only at very abbrasive tarmac.
About erc tyres we have measure them and there is not a problem such this.And they are tested at extremely hot asphalt/gravel surfaces.

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Originally Posted by AMSS

If you don`t believe me ask the drivers mentioned!!

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Lately i ve talked about this with Kajto and Lukyanuk,and there is not a problem like that.The opposite told me.

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Originally Posted by AMSS

And I wasn`t comparing to Ogier I was making an overall comparison! But this is not the thread to discuss this.

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overall comparison works cars/drivers with Prokop and Kubica.I told you that you cant compare for many reasons that i am sure you know about.

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Originally Posted by dimviii

that was happening before 3-4 years,not now,and only at very abbrasive tarmac.
About erc tyres we have measure them and there is not a problem such this.And they are tested at extremely hot asphalt/gravel surfaces.


Lately i ve talked about this with Kajto and Lukyanuk,and there is not a problem like that.The opposite told me.



overall comparison works cars/drivers with Prokop and Kubica.I told you that you cant compare for many reasons that i am sure you know about.

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I am talking about WRC tires and everybody who follows the results can see this, as well as listening to interviews!

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Originally Posted by AMSS

I am talking about WRC tires and everybody who follows the results can see this, as well as listening to interviews!

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yes keep comparing Prokop Kubica and private fiestas with works cars/crews and analyze the results.
Very usefull about which tyre is faster.

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Originally Posted by dimviii

yes keep comparing Prokop Kubica and private fiestas with works cars/crews and analyze the results.
Very usefull about which tyre is faster.

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You can analyse the difference compared to the fastest and make conclusions regardless of driver. You can do this with the slowest dmack fiesta if you want, and see where they loose/gain time compared to the fastest. If the loose 1min/ stage or 1sec doesn't matter.
For example if a driver looses 1 sec/k on the first 2stages on a 4 stage loop and then for instance loose 4 sec/k on the other 2 than something is happening don't you agree?

I can't comment WRC but in ERC Pirelli didn't suffer with fading of performance at all. Drivers in ERC mostly say that Pirelli had the upper hand this year and also here in CZ some changed from Michelin to Pirelli including the fastest local privateer Pech (and I'm sure that he changed due to better performance of Pirelli not due to price or something else).

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Originally Posted by AMSS

You can analyse the difference compared to the fastest and make conclusions regardless of driver. You can do this with the slowest dmack fiesta if you want, and see where they loose/gain time compared to the fastest. If the loose 1min/ stage or 1sec doesn't matter.
For example if a driver looses 1 sec/k on the first 2stages on a 4 stage loop and then for instance loose 4 sec/k on the other 2 than something is happening don't you agree?

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no you cant compare and make conclusions with the slowest dmack fiesta.You cant analyse results with drivers like Prokop and Kubica when at stage 3 is 3rd faster and at next stage is 8th without problem,and at next stage is 0,3 sec behind Ogier.You cant have safe conclusions with such a driver.
An indication could be in a long asphalt for example stage without technical/setup problems to compare Kubica Evans and Tanak to see if pirellis loose their pace after 10-20 kms compared with michelins.Safer is to do that with many stages,and different rallies.