People Power

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Originally Posted by chuck34

Why? If I get paid hourly, and I slack, there is less production, therefore less profit, therefore less money availible for raises, therefore less motivation for work, it's all a big downward spiral.

However, if there is a reward for me (as an hourly worker) to work harder, I'll get more production out, the company will be more profitable, there will be more money availible for raises, I'll get payed more, maybe in a year or so my hard work will be noticed, I'll get a promotion, make even more money, it's all a big upward spiral.



Somewhat. But if you want something of good quality, wether it's a commodity or labor, you need to pay more. You get what you pay for.



Harder actual work, you're probably right. However, who has more at risk (at least in a world without bailouts)?, who has invested more to get where he/she is?



Yes that is your business as an employer. However, you shouldn't be surprised when the quality of work your labor force puts out starts to slide. And yes I am free to take my labor elsewhere if I don't like my pay structure at my current company. That was the point I was making with Eki a while ago.

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You believe that if you work harder, you'll automatically get a raise instead of the extra profit going to the owners' pockets or to the raise of your weaselly coworker who's brown-nosing the boss ?

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Originally Posted by Eki

You believe that if you work harder, you'll automatically get a raise instead of the extra profit going to the owners' pockets or to the raise of your weaselly coworker who's brown-nosing the boss ?

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So your boss is a greedy jerk that won't reward you for helping him make a profit. Yet he rewards a good-for-nothing brown noser. Exactly why do you still work for this company?

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Originally Posted by chuck34

So your boss is a greedy jerk that won't reward you for helping him make a profit. Yet he rewards a good-for-nothing brown noser. Exactly why do you still work for this company?

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Eki is on welfare, he won't understand.

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Originally Posted by Eki

You believe that if you work harder, you'll automatically get a raise instead of the extra profit going to the owners' pockets or to the raise of your weaselly coworker who's brown-nosing the boss ?

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If you are a valueable worker, you have shown that you care about your work, you do your work properly and the boss does not have to solve problems caused by you all the time, then you will be rewarded. Because no owner wants to get rid of a worker that is valueable. Believe me, such staff is hard to find and for an owner, those people are extremely valueable. Being a company owner and a boss I know that probably a bit better than someone like you.

After last year finished and we showed pretty good numbers, I gave a nice bonus to those of my employees who fitted that criteria as a token of my gratitude for the fact that they had done a good job. I didn't have to do it, I didn't have any contractual committments to them to give them bonuses, but I did anyway, because I wanted to keep them and I wanted to show them that they had done a good job.

Brown-nosing? I have experience with such people and I can tell you that such a thing almost never works with any normal boss.

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Originally Posted by Garry Walker

Eki is on welfare, he won't understand.

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Hey Garry, this thread has maintained it's essence without the use of intended putdowns as this. Welcome to the discussion if you want to contribute with your take on this subject.
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Originally Posted by chuck34

So your boss is a greedy jerk that won't reward you for helping him make a profit. Yet he rewards a good-for-nothing brown noser. Exactly why do you still work for this company?

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Maybe because I don't know any other company that's any better and it's still better than being on welfare?

Sure... we all know it's because you secretly fancy the boss's daughter :p

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

It's a concern to me simply because I don't live on an island...Well, the UK is an island :p ...but in the sense of "no man is an island". One way or another inequality, such as has been illustrated in this thread, affects us all.

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The problem with widening income disparity means, actually, smart and crafty people who start out poor will make less money than those who have done nothing much to advance themselves, but are rich to begin with. That is the problem. The wider the gap, the greater the odds that your financial and social status do not change in respect to your craftiness or smarts or any merit that you actually have.

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Originally Posted by chuck34

How many people do you think would find it pleasurable to pump out septic tanks (for one example)? Yet that needs to be done. What motivation other than profit do you suggest to incentivise people to take on that rather sh!tty job? :D

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What I suppose I meant was that lots of jobs which aren't that ****ty are miserable affairs when they need not be. Why are they? Because of the way employers are so often.

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Originally Posted by chuck34

However, if there is a reward for me (as an hourly worker) to work harder, I'll get more production out, the company will be more profitable, there will be more money availible for raises, I'll get payed more, maybe in a year or so my hard work will be noticed, I'll get a promotion, make even more money, it's all a big upward spiral.

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Except for the problem that real world data shows that the compounded annual increases for the average worker are 1% whilst for the very top its 4%.
If the company is more profitable, there will be more money available for raises but history has shown that since 1979 the distribution of those raises isn't equal. Money which is available for raises is more likely to go to people in upper management.

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Originally Posted by chuck34

So your boss is a greedy jerk that won't reward you for helping him make a profit. Yet he rewards a good-for-nothing brown noser. Exactly why do you still work for this company?

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Because he chooses to?