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Originally Posted by downtowndeco
You insist on comparing one event to a series?
Fine.
Any NFL team will draw more spectators than the Indy 500.
Last year the worst team in attendance(Oakland) drew 354,276. More than the Indy 500.
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Originally Posted by downtowndeco
You insist on comparing one event to a series?
Fine.
Any NFL team will draw more spectators than the Indy 500.
Last year the worst team in attendance(Oakland) drew 354,276. More than the Indy 500.
The WRC should call Indy. They have plenty that aren't being used.Quote:
Originally Posted by downtowndeco
Lets stop comparing the Indy 500 to other events. The Idea that the Indy 500 draws more people than a NFL games means that it is more popular than the NFL is preposterous.
We can only compare the Indy 500 to the Indy 500
We can argue if the crowd was bigger or not but we will never know because Indy doesn't release official attendance figures.
We do know some facts:
There were 1000's of empty seats at an event that use to sell out months ahead of time.
The overnight ratings were down from last year.
The most dominating team in Indy history cannot find sponsors for two of it's drivers. That same team fielded the pole winning car and the favorite to win.
The IRL is well into it's 3rd year of the end of the split.
enough of the silly excuses.......It is the product that is hurting Indy Car. Change is needed and needed fast.
I thought you were just whining a page or so ago about who you weren't talking about F1, you were talking about Indy? You weren't talking about NASCAR, you were talking about Indy? Now you're talking about NFL, NBA, etc.? Could you at least make up your mind please? And what the he77 is WRC?
There isn't any doubt the attendance has been down but it and the momentum appear to be coming back albeit slowly. NASCAR has been losing ratings and attendance too and there isn't any doubt the economy is a huge part of it. Are there other reasons? Sure but until some smart a$$ can 1.) Make an argument without compromising his own principals, 2.) Provide a solution, or 3.) Tell us something that isn't already 10 years in the know...please find a topic you might have some education on.
And to supplement the argument of NFL teams, the fact is they are the BEST drawing entertainment out there right now. Still, it takes even the worst NFL team 8/9 weeks to draw the amount of people in that IMS pulls in during down times. And that is largely the same exact people 8/9 times so a 1 game sample is a representative sample if you want a comparison. Read up on your education of statistics if you need to but that is the simple truth.
Yup. The Product sucks Tony. I know..we will get full fendered race cars, and put roofs on them..and give them no downforce...oh wait a minute, THAT's NASCAR!
Seriously, The product is a problem, but only as so far as either a new car or opening up the rules or changing them so the cars can run together easily. What I saw was a lot of follow the leader this year. Even a lapped car could hold up people for a while....it was only on restarts you saw guys get racy, and the Conway/Hunter-Reay crash showed what happens when you get too close. There is just not enough speed differential....and guys have to really try to force stuff.
IT wasn't a bad 500...it was what it was, and Dario had the best car, and did the best job of staying out of trouble. Kudo's to Dario Franchitti, a truly classy guy....
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Originally Posted by TURN3
Lets talk about Indy
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Originally Posted by TURN3
Really? You haven't ever heard of the WRC? The 2nd most popular form of Motorsport in the World.
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Originally Posted by TURN3
Can somebody explain to me how a bad economy hurts TV ratings on broadcast television?
So why are you here? Really? I have been listening to the excuses for years. The fact is the product is the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by TURN3
An ugly Car, uninspiring slug of an engine, Flat out all away around racing combined with no-name and foreign drivers combination haven't worked for the last 8 years.
So now we are back to the NFL comparison?Quote:
Originally Posted by TURN3
Here here...There is a ton of Ken's and Tony's out there that love to point to the lousy ratings and this or that, but they don't have any solution other than firing everyone. That is meaningless.....you could end up with bigger tools in the office than the guys you fired.Quote:
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NFL teams draw pretty much sell outs in all but about the 4 or 5 worst teams most years. I saw a lot of empty seats at Indy, but I put that down to the lost fans of the split years. The fact is, the interest in the 500 has dropped steadily pretty much since 1995. People migrated away from the bickering, fighting and substandard product and they are coming back. The NFL draws steady sell outs in any market where the team is more than just passable, and their TV ratings slay the IRL on any scale. So....to try and say the crowd at Indy is worth 4 NFL crowds is just meaningless. I am sure if Jerry Jones could build a football stadium with 200000 seats, he would sell em....
Mine is bigger than yours doesn't work here...it is apples and oranges. The IRL should be compared to where the sport was in 1994....and then the message is obvious....
I am in no, way, shape or form advocating a NASCAR style series. In fact I would go the exact opposite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
Multiple Chassis, Multiple engines and a slow weaning off of Oval racing. Keeping the Indy 500 but with some changes.
In other words, CARTIII.Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
The first meaningful thing you've said in the thread. I don't advocate fully weaning off oval racing, you need the variety of ovals that have been discussed here in the past. Other than that, you are exactly right but it is starting to look more and more like '11 is turning into '12 is turning into '13 now. That is what frustrates me the most. We all know what the major boost will be along with economic recovery over the next 5 yrs...get it done.Quote:
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