Hamilton Stripped of Win - Official

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Originally Posted by Daniel

This is racing. These guys aren't driving on the road where it's nice to be courteous, this is a racing track and good manners and being courteous doesn't apply. Lewis has quite rightly done the same thing to other drivers and he would have done the same thing if he'd had the opportunity to.

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well ya you say it right...This is racing...this is a racing accident like they happen in every race..in whatever category/series.....and as long as the driver who cut the corner let the other driver go by again..never was made a problem of it..Until yesterday !

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Originally Posted by Tonieke

if you check the follow up of them pics one can clearly see Lewis could make the corner but got pushed off the track by Kimi...

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Kimi had the racing line. Kimi didn't need to let Lewis in......

What a stupid decision!!!!

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Originally Posted by dwboogityfan

Also I think that not slowing down for yellow flags is far worse than what Lewis did. What would have happened if Kimi had piled into Rosberg's slow moving car simply because he did not slow down. We have seen in the past 5 place penalties given at the next race so I expect the FIA to do the same with Kimi seeing as though he couldn't be penalised this race. That will never happen though because he drives a Red car...

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You have no proof whatsoever that Kimi didn't slow down, or that Lewis didn't slow down even more in the process thus making Kimi pass him.
There is no proof to your allegations.

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Originally Posted by V12

Regardless of whether Hamilton was dealt with harshly, or whether he deserved the penalty, this whole controversy is symptomatic of a greater problem existing with F1 circuits.

In the past, when a driver cut a corner like this, he'd get embedded in gravel or slide along the grass and into the wall, or best case scenario would have been held up and not have gained any advantage at all, whereas now more and more off-track excersions are rewarded (prior to a steward's penalty) rather than being penalised straight away.

Another thing, shortly after this both Kimi and Hamilton deliberately ran wide at a high speed corner to get the extra traction from the tarmac run-off area, very clever on both their parts, but call me old fashioned, if a driver leaves the track, he should face the consequences, and I don't mean an iffy, open-to-interpretation stewards decision.

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Good points. :up:

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Originally Posted by Tonieke

well ya you say it right...This is racing...this is a racing accident like they happen in every race..in whatever category/series.....and as long as the driver who cut the corner let the other driver go by again..never was made a problem of it..Until yesterday !

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The thing is in addition to position there's also this thing called "time".

On a proper track without these silly tarmac runoff areas Lewis would have broken his car or lost a lot of time. Perhaps the track is somewhat to blame but it seems that the stewards took issue with the fact that Lewis failed to make the corner and simply thought that giving the position back was sufficient when a driver who leaves the track due to his own actions should be penalised in regards to time and not just position. If Lewis had simply braked rather than doing what he did he would have had Kimi later anyway.....

This may have already been said but...Given that the penalty imposed was a drive-thu penalty McLaren's appeal may be rejected before it is heard.

Hamilton was given a 25s time penalty because there was no time to serve a drive-thru. Normally, having served a drive-thru, a driver has no opportunity to appeal because the penalty is immediate and final.

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Originally Posted by Tonieke

what does this pics tells you ? one can clearly see Lewis was in front of Kimi goin into the chicane...

http://www.autosport.com/gallery/photo.php/id/113052

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Bollocks! The chicane is to their right and so Kimi is closer to it and thus in front of Hamilton.

Look at a picture taken .5 seconds later and you will see who was in front in that chicane.

Picking a picture at the only moment that advantages your POV is not enough to proof whatsoever f you ignore the rest of the process.

I just feel pretty depressed about all this.

There is a certain innevitability about it all. There is a obvious agenda at work and we all know it.

If anyone disputes this, before replying, can you provide a list of all incidents at Spa and tell me what the outcome by the stewards was?

We all know this is BS. I feel equally sorry for the Ferrari fans that are embarrassed by this as they have been equally let down. It must be horrible to know that you will win an undeserved championship in this manner.

It now looks like the FIA will refuse to hear the appeal and I have just re-read the sporting regulations concerning penalties and they have no justification for not hearing it.

However, if they do hear the appeal, they will have to reverse it or face international condemnation again. How much longer can this happen?

Hamilton could have made the corner but Kimi would have crashed into the side of him in the process. He had the inside line but Kimi was in no mood to compromise so Lewis avoided the accident.

Lewis came out ahead and lifted off so he was going SLOWER than Kimi who passed him.

Seeing as they were nose to gearbox before the corner, alongside in the corner and back to nose to gearbox after Lewis had lifted, I don't see what advantage he gained.

Can anyone tell me.

Perhaps he should have given him a 5 second head start? However, he would still have been penalised because it wasn't 10 seconds, or 20 or whatever Massa needed to get past.

For the people voting this was justified, please tell me what advantage Lewis gained?

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Originally Posted by Daniel

The thing is in addition to position there's also this thing called "time".

On a proper track without these silly tarmac runoff areas Lewis would have broken his car or lost a lot of time. Perhaps the track is somewhat to blame but it seems that the stewards took issue with the fact that Lewis failed to make the corner and simply thought that giving the position back was sufficient when a driver who leaves the track due to his own actions should be penalised in regards to time and not just position. If Lewis had simply braked rather than doing what he did he would have had Kimi later anyway.....

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ok..each his own opinion...But I am interested to hear your thoughts about this situation...at the next corner...Kimi also is clearly of track....on the green...and hits Lewis in the back...and as I mentioned earlier..to me with the intention to take Lewis out...Why the Stewards not made a point of that ?

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/8...milewissk9.jpg