Co-incidence ??? I don't think so ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
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Co-incidence ??? I don't think so ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
All this hate has made me a fan of Conrad whos existance I would have otherwise ignored.
What expecting from him in Mexico with the C4 WRC ??? :confused:
Hate is a very strong word, I don't hate him, imo he is out of his depth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shrike
Rather. No need to hate Conrad. He didn't eat my dog or something. He's simply out of his depth :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Camelopard
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Originally Posted by Daniel
So leave Conrad alone too !! :p :
Leave the kid alone, how any other drivers had more than their fair share of offs in thier first few WRC outings?
Who is the king of crashes? http://demand.global-mix.net/?o=gmuk....wmv&.wvx= :)
It's Atkinson for them... btw not even in the first 10 crash-drivers we see Gigi Galli, maybe an error LOL ?
I didn't mean we can't critique things Daniel. For f**ks sake i stated under my first paragraph that it IS AN OPEN FORUM, thus we can critique things however you were just straight out bashing the guy because he crashed in his 1st or 2nd WRC event. There is a difference. It's like people bashing Wilson, just leave the guy alone, if his daddy wants to spend the cash and put him in a car then thats their business, not yours. Do you want to see 2 less cars on the road at a WRC event? The WRC is all the better for having those 2 extra cars whether they are at the front of the field or not...
Also I was not indicating he WILL be WRC champ because he crashed early like Mikko and Petter. I was giving an example that EVERYONE makes mistakes early in careers and it is all part of the learning curve.
How about Daniel tries to think outside the box for once and read more into posts rather than being so narrow minded and giving a 5 year old "i know you are you said you are but what am I" response.
I never really understood why some people want to see as many WRC cars as possible in an event no matter the talent behind them.....
The guy doesn't TOTALLY lack talent. 21 years old, as i mentioned before, we need to give the guy a chance. If we wrote off all drivers because of a crash on their first or second event we would not have any drivers in the WRC.
Sadly you must have the money before the talent in WRC nowadays ... anyway they're not stealing cars from anybody, so why forbid them to race, let them drive and crash and let us have fun :pQuote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
How do you know? Who set the depth?Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
^ too true!
Well lets see what Gigi can do this year to change their minds :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Helstar
I can accept Atkinson has crashed a lot. But he's showed a lot of speed. But when there are crashes and a whole lot of no speed then......
Narrow minded? How about the nasty, narrow minded responses that have been directed my way? :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by WRCfan
If daddy wants to spend the money that's great. But don't expect people to not to criticise him for being a waste of an entry spot which someone else could have used to further their promising careers.
Atko has also been driving a crap car which in his own words has not been easy and therefore he has had to push the car harder than he would have liked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
the depth is set by the people who are in inferior cars and were dominating him ....Quote:
Originally Posted by sollitt
Broccoli was taking him to school in an R3 !!!!
He has nothing to offer to the sport with a wrc car....
If you believe that you misunderstand the purpose & meaning of rallying. It is all encompassing. Unless one is paid, one sets ones own 'depth' or level of expectation. and no-one takes an opportunatey away from any other.
I'm a billionaire because I say so :)Quote:
Originally Posted by sollitt
well i agree but you also should agree that is everyones right to critisise the choices one makes...Quote:
Originally Posted by sollitt
And at the end of the day i don't have the right not to allow anyone to take part in what he likes but he doesn't have the right also not to allow me to express my opinion on the results his choice brings....
:up: I agree...the tone of the criticism can sometimes be a bit rough but still IMHO we are entitled to express it.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
He hasn't crashed in Monte so I think he won't appear in that standing soon =D (not while driving the Ford, maybe if Mitsu is back, who knows LOL).Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
Let's see at the end of the year, I already know what's going to happen eheh (=Atko lots of crashes, Gigi takes more points :p !).Quote:
I can accept Atkinson has crashed a lot. But he's showed a lot of speed. But when there are crashes and a whole lot of no speed then......
My favourite picture of Rautenbach :)
http://archiv.autosport.cz/autosport...rautenbach.jpg
This is what I saw the first time I saw Conrad driving :)
http://powerphoto.co.uk/rally/wrc2005/rd10/ss6/028.html
Here is another good one :up:
http://picasaweb.google.com/wouters....32135859971298
I think you all are too rough to Rautenbach. Let's face it, he hasn't crashed almost in two weeks now. Give him a break.
How do you know? He might've had a mild off in recce and not told anybody. :p :
Well Conrad just stepped to a higher level by driving off on the road section before stage in Rally Sweden :dozey:Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
Cant believe it hasnt been mentioned in here, but I heard he went off on the road section this morning whilst warming his tyres. More fuel for the fire.
Yesterday night, I was watching old videos from Group B times. And when I saw people staying on the road, I was thinking, how it could show, if behind wheel wasn't Rohrl, Munari, Kankkunen, Salonen but Rautenbach, Atkinson or C.McRae...
Guys lay off Conrad. Apparently he deserves our respect when he can drive off the road on a road section.....
...yeah, apparently he was warming his tyres up a little too vigorously. D'Oh!Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
He is just a league of his own !!! RESPECT !!!
WOW! You sure ignited a crap storm here! LOL!!! Well Ol' "Conny" may not be a good dirver in the WRC, but he is there... & that's ALOT more than I think any of us "armchair" drivers/co-drivers can say. He may get better in time... or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
"I may not agree w/what you have to say, but I will defend to the death, your right to say it!" - Thomas Payne
The thing is he's not there because sponsors thought. This guy is going to do well. Lets give him some backing and sell our product at the same time. He's there because daddy put him in the seat. If my dad paid for me to drive and I was doing this badly I'd understand if people criticised me.Quote:
Originally Posted by klm-607
As NOT said before, people seemed to be obsessed with having lots of WRCars on the entry lists without caring whether they're driven by skilled drivers, by guys like Conrad or by an inanimate carbon rod. I'd rather see 5 skilled drivers in good cars rather than 30 drivers in cars prepared by factories who never give it 100% like Skoda or Hyundai. It's quality not quantity!
Amen to the last bit of your post too :up:
Skoda had the best sound though.
Never have I suggested otherwise, although others have.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
I would say though, that some of the criticism actually says more about the writer(s) than it does about the subject.
I'm sure that if I were Conrad Rautenbach I'd have a huge smile on my face whilst I asked "I'm living my dream. What are you doing with your life?"
Daniel, you continue to astound me! There wouldn't have been a WRC round in the 30 years of it's existence that hasn't had such participation. And thank the Lord for that, or else rallying would not have lasted very long.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
That each event draws entries from all skill levels is indeed the very essence of the sport and what sets it apart from other modes of motorsport.
However we ALREADY HAVE an abundance of talented drivers so it's no stress if someone is put in a car because their father has a lot of cash. It appears that you would loose sleep over the fact that Conrad is in a Citroen...
You can keep ribbing him, although if your daddy had cash and put you in a WRC car you would still be slower than Conrad anyway and I would put money on that.
In this case maybe GroupB would have been banned sooner due to lack of budget from the manufacturers....!Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto