Rally Portugal this year. And what's your massive objection to alcohol?
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Rally Portugal this year. And what's your massive objection to alcohol?
I don't have a massive objection to alcohol. I do drink sometimes, to the shock of my friends. But the point is, I think it's more harmful than tobacco, so if people are getting all self-righteous about tobacco advertising, it's hypocritical not to do the same for alcohol.
So who is sponsoring Rally Portugal? Vodafone? Or have I massively misunderstood?
Yep Vodafone are sponsoring rally portugal this year. Good to see companies like that in rallying.
Honestly, I don't understand why you don't like if alchohol or pharmaceutical companies act as sponsors for rally teams! They just advertise their goods, they bring money to the sport! But nobody makes you buy their products! It's all down to your decision! A clever person will never use drugs, no matter how much AD he watch. But an idiot will try it, even if there's no AD around him at all! C'mon, people, it's silly! I would welcome any company, which would like to sponsor WRC, whatever it produces. They just show themselves, but it's only your choice if you are loyal to those companies. I repeat, no one will make you use what you're not interested in, so why not let them advertise it??
But does a hairloss company or something like Viagra promote a positive image for the WRC?
And I'm against banning tobacco advetising. It's idiotism. If a person wants to smoke, they will buy it, no matter whether he saw ad or not! And if parents are clever, they can explain to a child too, that smoking is bad, so that a child would know the trruth whatever is said in AD. let advertise everething. A smart person will make the right decision anyway, while an idiot will make a mistake even without advertising!
Hairloss company help people, Viagra help people too. What's the problem. If a person needs it, he will buy it. I dont understand you, what's the problem? Those are just words on car livery, and their logos can make the car look great. I thought no one was aginst martini on Fords or Lancia. So why not Viagra? By the way, as for the image, this medicine gives power to a man, so as for slogan on a rally car, you can easily say "we boost the team!". Why not?Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
As for your judgement, I would ban Red Bull and other energetic drinks' ad too. People must be active without any drinks, so if they drink it, then they're weak!! And it's bad for WRC image, cause there shouldn't be any weak people in this sport.
The problem is when someone sees an ad for some medication and then goes to their doctor to demand it, because they don't understand anything about it. Their doctor won't give it to them because it's harmful in some way, but they just demand it because the ad promised a miracle. That's the other problem - peole see ads for weightloss remedy and think they can continue their sedentary and unhealthy lifestlye because they think the drug is a miracle cure.Quote:
Originally Posted by White Sauron
Would you be happy to drive for Viagra White Sauron Racing? With a big Viagra logo on your chest?
Definitely not. They imply greedy multinationals and middle-aged, pathetic men. It would just be embarrassing to be a fan when it had sponsors like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
Very good indeed :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
I agree here.Quote:
Originally Posted by White Sauron
And I'm not against alcohol advertising, I just think it's hypocrisy when tobacco advertising is banned. I, personally, would not want to be sponsored by alcohol, but if someone else was I wouldn't object.
Viagra: We help old men who can't get erections naturally to get them artificially. No, I wouldn't want that image on my team.Quote:
Originally Posted by White Sauron
Energy drinks are entirely different.
I don't think we can afford to think morally about sponsorship. We need every penny we can get, as I think most of us here knows.
If we are to think morally about it, why not ban Vodafone as because of them teenagers might end up having huge mobile phone bills to pay. Would that do good for the WRC's image? I think not. But you can't think that way, if you did you might aswell ban everything.
Reducing the argument to it's most absurd - a debating technique that doesn't work. I think there are a couple of people who are blowing this out of proportion. Like the song I'm listening to says, "take a chill pill" (it's from the 80s). I happen to think that if you're going to ban tobacco advertising, then ban alcohol advertising as well. I don't think that doing either of these things would be a good idea as it wouldn't achieve anything. And, there are good reasons to ban pharmaceutical advertising, as I've enumerated above.
if it would give me money to compete on a world level, I would be happy. Why not? It's a big company, and it found the way how to help people. Don't see anything bad in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeonBrooke
Well that's your choice. But, I would be very reluctant. some big pharmaceutical companies are corrupt and unethical and immoral, and I don't think they should be allowed to advertise for reasons I've stated. But if they are allowed, then, if you are okay with it, then be sponsored by them by all means.Quote:
Originally Posted by White Sauron
I wouldn't object to taking their money, just to wearing their logo ;) if there was some subliminal, Marlboro-bar-code-style logo, I wouldn't mind (so long as it was legal and I don't think it should be), but I would object to having a huge "Viagra" logo on my uniform.
Coming from the man who would happily drive with Gandalf on the side of his car lol. I see what you're saying WS dont worry and Cal is right you have to also agree with the every penny counts concept. What I wish is that the WRC could be attracting the huge companies because it should be. Thats what Morrie Chandler and the FIA want. People will pay millions just to get the tiniest sticker on an F1 car and I hope in the future you'll be able to say the same about rallying.Quote:
Originally Posted by White Sauron
Yeah - that's it. You shouldn't have to have a Viagra logo - you should (ideally) be able to attract some other sponsor to whom no one would object, and who would be able to pay for everything.
Ok, I see your point, guys, but.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeonBrooke
I'd LIKE to have Viagra logo on my suit. it's just cool. it will attract also more attention to my figure.
Plus, yeah, I'd like Gandlaf to be not on the side of my car, but inside, as a co-driver. I would win with his magic power)))
lol I see your point here too :p but seriously, "Viagra are my personal sponsor"?? (Or are you a woman??)Quote:
Originally Posted by White Sauron
Just like how in this day and age I would like to be sponsored by tobacco. It would be edgy, it would be fringe, it would provoke a lot of talk.
Exactly. It's just a PR. If Loeb advertises PS2, it doesn't meen he plays it every day.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeonBrooke
If I advertise (not me, but my suit or car) Viagra, it doesn't meen I'm a wrong man. They give me money and get AD. I get they money and compete in a rally. In biology it's called symbiosis.
You think why people like Soth Park, for example, or Simpsons? Because those cartoons have brilliant graphics or humour? No. because they're not afraid of laughing at themselves, at people.
Wearing a Viagra-sponsored suit would be just fun for me, cool. Advertising alchohol on my car is not a problem for me. it's good for holidays and I like to drink some cognac or martini on big holidays like birthdays or smth like this. But I'm a smart person and understand it's dangerous to drink it before driving. And I will never do it, though I can be their sponsor.
Advertising tobacco? No problem for me. Have you seen the lates comedy "thank you for smokin!"? if you haven't - go and watch. It raises the same plot. There you're just doing your work. But in your mind you can be against it and never use. If you're a clever person, you'll make a right choice, believe me. AD influences only on people who don't have their own mind.
I still think Viagra is the wrong image for the WRC. It implies that the bulk of fans are old impotent men. If Viagra became title sponsor of the the whole WRC, I wouldn't stop being interested, but I wouldn't become a fan if I wasn't already because the association is embarrassing.Quote:
Originally Posted by White Sauron
I didn't mean I'd seek out tobacco money, but if it was offered I'd not say no.
My post 500! Yeah! And this thread's 100th.
Congratulations! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by LeonBrooke
But as for me, the first accotiation is "more power". It's not that bad. Plus, Viagra brand belongs to Pfizer, which is a very big company! And they can do the same as BP did with Ford: the main livery is in Pfizer style, plus some Viagra ones. if you ask me, as a mad Ford fan, if I would like to see Ford in such a livery and Marcus Gronholm as my fav driver wearing such a suit, I would say: YES! It's cool!
Damn, in Russia we have a wonderful girlsband, which is called VIAGRA (Vocal-Instrumental Band "GRA" (GRA is game in ukrainian). (Nu Virgos for the foreign market)There're three very sexy girls with such shapes, but no one is feeling embarassed if they're listening to their songs. It's just cool!
http://www.nuvirgos.com/static.php?page=1
Look!!! My first thought when I'm listening to their music isn't that I need their help to be a "powerful" errected man. No. I listen to them because they re great. The same goes for WRC if Viagra sponsor some teams. People will support the crews with viagra logos on it not because they need it. But because of the crews under these logos! What about that!
http://www.nuvirgos.com/static.php?page=11
For all REAL men there:
download and watch this video. (for free) I bet, after this you won't be against VIAGRA)))
I'm anticipating that "won't be in need of ViagraŽ" will be accurate too...
heh)) I shared with you the best we have. Surely, looking at these girl you won't need viagra...Quote:
Originally Posted by LeonBrooke
I´ve just seen some pictures of Henning Solberg´s Focus WRC, and I would really like to know what one of his sponsors EnPro and Exide are.
Exide make batteries of all shapes and sizes.
"We make 21st century life possible. Every day, we start hundreds of millions of cars and trucks and supply backup power for computer centers and many of the world’s telephones and cell phone systems" http://www.exide.com/
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:p ::p ::p :
I agree with LeonBrooke, actually I think pharmaceutical ads should be banned altogether. All they do is just offer people some quick fixes to get their health ok. And I'm afraid most of them treat symptoms, not its causes, so the disease stays, just hidden. And then we wonder why so many people die in cancer and have cardiovascular problem. :s But don't be concerned, take an Ibuprofen or whatever - I don't know any drug names so excuse me if I'm wrong...
Not to steer the thread to offtopic(although quite interesting one)...
what is Pyramid Technologies? Duval's new sponsor, that is.
So much bull**** in this thread...only person who seems to have some clue is WS...
Well, um... I wonder what the asteroids are about?Quote:
Originally Posted by White Sauron
See how ridiculous he looks with the Viagra logo?? Not only is there the ethical reasons, but it absolutely gives the sport the wrong image.Quote:
Originally Posted by Erki
I think, it looks great and cool!Quote:
Originally Posted by LeonBrooke
Well, I admit that it suits him, and it would look worse on anyone else. But still... what about condoms? Would you proudly wear the logo of a condom manufacturer?Quote:
Originally Posted by White Sauron
I think Philippe Bugalski ws sponsored by Durex. Once he said something like "I feel myself very safe in car" :p :
Condoms get the green light from me, people should be educated and encouraged to use them, it's just about their own health and welfare. :)
Look there's nothing wrong with Condoms or Viagra. You just wouldnt see them on the side of an F1 car. It doesn't matter about ethics and what not because at the end of the day it is money thats important, but it would be better if there were big sponsors lining up to get themselves on a car, but they arent.
You're not going to say there's anything wrong with condoms now are you LeonBrooke?
No, I don't disapprove of condoms, I agree with Erki in what he said, but I wouldn't want to be sponsored by them. Well, not any well-known brands. I wouldn't want to be sponsored by anything related to sex, it would just be weird.
Well here in Greece we had someone with a sponshorship from a strip club called "Dolls"! The interesting part actually happened at the service park ,when the "Dolls" came by for some "promotion" and some participants took a time penalty leaving the service park! :)
ohhhhhh I wouldn't want to be blamed for that ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by castor
I guess it would be quite hard to find a tasteful sponsor related to sex, and I don't mean flavoured condoms here. ;) I would be happily sponsored by something related to sex so go on, pass it on...!Quote:
Originally Posted by LeonBrooke
If I get the offer I'll give them your number ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Erki
I recall that I read something about Valentino Rossi being anti-tobacco and he wouldn't ride a tobacco sponsored bike, yet he rode Gauloises and Camel liveried bikes...
Anyway, the question is, what would you do if you were to be sponsored by something completely distasteful to you and incongruent with your values? Leave the seat empty? Drive/ride being uncomfortable with it? Being "ah, what the heck, let's do it" and kind of adapting/giving up your values? I don't know what I would do, I haven't been in such situation, would probably depend on what options I have open.
PS: I still don't know what Pyramide Technologies does. :p :
I'd probably do it, but the thing is, I don't find any of the things we're discussing here completely distasteful or abhorrent, I just think that it would be embarrassing and would give the sport the wrong image.