Do Alonso get paid from Ferrari/others to thrash mclaren?

Nice to see the Mclaren fans taking defeat well and graciously.

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Originally Posted by tamburello

Nice to see the Mclaren fans taking defeat well and graciously.

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Where?

Rohamweb:
"tell me what you brag about and I'll tell you what you're lacking"
Cheers
David

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Originally Posted by rohanweb

some common sense still prevails here..

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Link please!

No i think Alonso has enough money that he can do it for free

Do you think he was payed to criticize Renault last year, too? It seems to be just his personality.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

P.S I don't see how countries come into this at all really.

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This is the first thing that spanish alonsos' fans don't understand.

Ask them why they support Alonso. The answer is because he is spanish.

Then ask them who did support before Alonso won his first race. The answer is they didn't watch that boring F1 thing at all before

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Originally Posted by wmcot

Do you think he was payed to criticize Renault last year, too? It seems to be just his personality.

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Constructive criticism :)

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Of course Spain somehow wants a Finn to win rather than a Brit. At least that's what my girlfriend's best friends' sisters husbands brothers wife's unborn child's gerbil told me :)

All in a dream of course :)

P.S I don't see how countries come into this at all really.

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It doesn't matter who was driving the other car, many Alonso's supporters wouldn't want him to succeed better than Alonso. Hamilton being a Brit in a British team didn't really help the situation.
It's easier to explain the situation when you can blame the car instead of having to look at why Alonso was slower in the same car, and with Alonso's own setups :p :

Why do I think like this you might ask, simply because I'm like that myself. I watched the first part of the Nürburgring(?) race at my family's summer cabin and when Kimi retired, drove back home thinking that bloody Massa is going to win it now. I had a good laugh looking at the results at home to find Alonso had won the race. :D

Priorat, are you talking about yourself? Of course not, your little wine producer mountain has nothing to do with Spain, and of course you wouldn't support anyone in a sentimental basis, because you have the gift of objectivity.
It's so funny how people come to conclusions about things they don't have a clue about it.

Cheers
David

I think each member have their own right to tell their assessment, having said that this is democratic forum, isn't this?

back on topic, thanks :)

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Originally Posted by janneppi

I watched the first part of the Nürburgring(?) race at my family's summer cabin and when Kimi retired, drove back home thinking that bloody Massa is going to win it now. I had a good laugh looking at the results at home to find Alonso had won the race. :D

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I see! This post explains many things. :rolleyes:

That my parents have summer cabin? All you had to do was ask. ;)

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Originally Posted by janneppi

That my parents have summer cabin? All you had to do was ask. ;)

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At least you have a good sense of humor. ;)

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Originally Posted by Priorat

This is the first thing that spanish alonsos' fans don't understand.

Ask them why they support Alonso. The answer is because he is spanish.

Then ask them who did support before Alonso won his first race. The answer is they didn't watch that boring F1 thing at all before

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And I assume you know that for a fact because you have super powers reaching beyond the limits of common knowledge or respect.

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Originally Posted by Priorat

This is the first thing that spanish alonsos' fans don't understand.

Ask them why they support Alonso. The answer is because he is spanish.

Then ask them who did support before Alonso won his first race. The answer is they didn't watch that boring F1 thing at all before

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What's wrong with that ? :confused: Not their fault Spain never had a F1 talent before Alonso...and btw, why you think I am a Trulli and Ferrari fan ? ;)

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Originally Posted by OTA

Priorat, are you talking about yourself? Of course not, your little wine producer mountain has nothing to do with Spain, and of course you wouldn't support anyone in a sentimental basis, because you have the gift of objectivity.
It's so funny how people come to conclusions about things they don't have a clue about it.

Cheers
David

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Come on. If you've been to Spain recently you must know what I'm talking about.
I understand that you can support your national basket or football team as they wear the name of your country, but in motor racing like tennis or golf are just individual names. I will support the one I like how plays or drives, not because he is from here or from there
I've been supporting different teams or drivers for almost 30 years without sentimental basis so I can tell you that it can be done without having any gift of objectivity

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Originally Posted by Priorat

Come on. If you've been to Spain recently you must know what I'm talking about.
I understand that you can support your national basket or football team as they wear the name of your country, but in motor racing like tennis or golf are just individual names. I will support the one I like how plays or drives, not because he is from here or from there
I've been supporting different teams or drivers for almost 30 years without sentimental basis so I can tell you that it can be done without having any gift of objectivity

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Which is very nice for you, but it does not prove or validate your previous point about Spanish fans.

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Originally Posted by pino

why you think I am a Trulli and Ferrari fan ? ;)

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Thats truly a mystery,my guess is that you support underdogs + winners ;)

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Originally Posted by Priorat

This is the first thing that spanish alonsos' fans don't understand.

Ask them why they support Alonso. The answer is because he is spanish.

Then ask them who did support before Alonso won his first race. The answer is they didn't watch that boring F1 thing at all before

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and..? I don't see the point, they support someone from their country... so?

It's because he can play 'Déjà Vu' once nobody wants him.

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Originally Posted by jso1985

and..? I don't see the point, they support someone from their country... so?

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Nothing wrong with it. Only I don't see the point in it being the only reason to do so.

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Originally Posted by rohanweb

some common sense still prevails here..
cheers Dylan.

I would probably taken to court and sacked by my employer if i ever blackmail my company, who pays me real monies to do the job.

probably in spain where Alonso come from its perfectly normal to thrash & blackmail your company, may be its because you feel some of your fellow colleague done a better job than him and you are dieing of jealousy..why not bring the company in to a laughing stock... yeh right!!!

Long live Spain & Alonso

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rohanweb it's not the first time you've made this sort of comments :rolleyes:
probably in wherever you come from it's perfectly normal :dozey:

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RO'...You are underestimating the power of patriotism in F1.
Do you think it was a coincidence that Flav had the blue in Renault's French themed livery,
the same color as the blue of Astoria? Hmmm. Now that I think of it, it may have been a coincidence!

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and..? I don't see the point, they support someone from their country... so?

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Personally, I think that there is a difference between supporting someone from your country - which is natural, I would say -, and talking like everybody else is an idiot or dishonest or a member of a conspiracy. The second part is seen a lot between Spanish fans of FA, here and in others places, and it really annoys me. It reminds me of jpmontoya_fan, did you get to know him here at the forums? :D

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Originally Posted by tinchote

It reminds me of jpmontoya_fan, did you get to know him here at the forums? :D

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Great character...I miss him :p :

I've read spanish people didn't watch F1 before Alonso. That's not true. I'm spanish, and I watch F1 since 80's, and so do all my family and friends, and so do lots of spanish people.

Priorat, You say that sports like motor, tennis or golf are individual sports, I agree with You, but You also say that individual sportsmen do not represent a country. ¿Do You really think so?. If that's true, then Athletism in the Olimpic Games doesn't represent any country?. Always a sportman, a writer, or whatever important and relevant person represents a country and much more.

The fact is that FA this season has had serious problems with his team and FIA. Just feedback and analyze all season neutrally, race by race. He has had to fight against they all and their decissions, and even 3rd in all season just 1pt behind Kimi, and with the same points than Hamilton. ¡That's simply incredible!!!!. In a natural season, with FIA taking neutral decissions and his team being really equal (Not this season I'm afraid), FA would have been the champion.

Never in F1 history a champion had been so badly treated in a team or by the FIA. That's incredible. McLaren played their cards with Hamilton, and lost. Maybe, if McLaren would have treated better to Alonso, a more experienced racer who needs more respect, now McLaren could sing Queen's song "We are the champions.....".

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Originally Posted by kusha

I've read spanish people didn't watch F1 before Alonso. That's not true. I'm spanish, and I watch F1 since 80's, and so do all my family and friends, and so do lots of spanish people.

Priorat, You say that sports like motor, tennis or golf are individual sports, I agree with You, but You also say that individual sportsmen do not represent a country. ¿Do You really think so?. If that's true, then Athletism in the Olimpic Games doesn't represent any country?. Always a sportman, a writer, or whatever important and relevant person represents a country and much more.

The fact is that FA this season has had serious problems with his team and FIA. Just feedback and analyze all season neutrally, race by race. He has had to fight against they all and their decissions, and even 3rd in all season just 1pt behind Kimi, and with the same points than Hamilton. ¡That's simply incredible!!!!. In a natural season, with FIA taking neutral decissions and his team being really equal (Not this season I'm afraid), FA would have been the champion.

Never in F1 history a champion had been so badly treated in a team or by the FIA. That's incredible. McLaren played their cards with Hamilton, and lost. Maybe, if McLaren would have treated better to Alonso, a more experienced racer who needs more respect, now McLaren could sing Queen's song "We are the champions.....".

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I guess you watch F1 on Telecinco...

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Originally Posted by tinchote

and talking like everybody else is an idiot or dishonest or a member of a conspiracy. The second part is seen a lot between Spanish fans of FA, here and in others places, and it really annoys me.

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It annoys me too tincho, but -at least here- I haven't seen it too often. At least not more often than other "fans". What annoys me more is what I see in some "British fans of LH" here, who's negative comments on Alonso appear to be based at least partly on where he comes from :dozey:

If you want to see how pathetic the fans are that priorat is talking about (in other places), look at the comments to items in Marca :down:
These "fans" are simply disgusting.

priorat: you obviously don't like fernando and that's fine. You get to see a different version of F1 than telecinco and that's fine. TV3 with Roses+Gene is possibly "better" than Telecinco+de la Rosa and that's also fine. But I'm certain a true fan (no, not 72 :p : ) can see through the bollox spouted by the calvo, and I'm sure the Spanish forum members here can too, just as you can. :)

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There are Alonso fans (just) and Formula 1 fans that support Alonso.

Alonso's nationality is irrelevant when trying to explain his behaviour. It is only relevant when trying to explain the behaviour of the press and the fans from particular countries.

I find it very difficult to find any evidence whatsoever that Alonso was treated anything less than equally with Hamilton certainly before Hungary and even afterwards. When pushed, even Alonso denies he has been handicapped compared to Hamilton.

The problem is that Alonso feels that he has been treated equally with Hamilton and that should not be the case for a two times world champion driving alongside a rookie. He felt he should have received preferential treatment. This would not have been a problem if Hamilton had been slow, but he was not. We know from his days at Renault that Alonso could not cope with being beaten by his teammate. In those days his teammate was Fisichella so those days were rare, but this season Hamilton was regularly as quick as or quicker than him, compounding the frustration.

Had Alonso been accusing a team with a strong past history of favouritism like Renault or Ferrari then the paddock would have believed him (NOT the fans, the paddock). Unfortunately he accused McLaren with its strong reputation within the paddock and once the story of attempted blackmail came out his reputation was ruined.

As someone who supported Alonso coming into this season I'm quite bitterly disappointed by his behaviour and he has done himself no favours. Before this season just about every team on the grid would have welcomed him, now people will be having second thoughts about signing him.

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Personally, I think that there is a difference between supporting someone from your country - which is natural, I would say -, and talking like everybody else is an idiot or dishonest or a member of a conspiracy. The second part is seen a lot between Spanish fans of FA, here and in others places, and it really annoys me. It reminds me of jpmontoya_fan, did you get to know him here at the forums? :D

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right on that :up:

I was wishing the black associated car (or those already known better running black) to win this year, and it's almost done if the team just as simply relied the title on the reigning champion.

For the better safe choice status quo is to keep the things the way they presently are, when the output of the new choice hasn't yet convinced anybody with.

It happens in F1, just like it happens in all international sports:

You have the "nationalistic fans" who support the individual based on his country of origin.

You have the "knowledgeable fans" who understand the sport and individuals involved and respect them for the talents they possess.

Then you have the fans, like my wife, who started following Alonso after Indy 2004 because he looked cute with his Mild Seven headband and had a pretty blue and yellow car! :)

Priorat, just read the title of the thread and you'll see it's not only spanish who are a bit superficial. Indeed I haven't seen the spanish members of this forum start ridiculous claims such as this thread.

And about Tele5, I have the bad habit of reading a lot of newspapers and watching things in different chanels. And while I agree that Tele5 is FA biased I could tell you that it's not different from any of the other national TV from a country in which they have a top level driver.
There is the business of driving cars fast and there is the business of getting people to turn on TV and watch them.
And if you are a long term motorsport fan, you surely know that as modest as Spain might be, there is a pretty stong base of motorstport fans who haven't reached the sport with FA.
Cheers
David

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Priorat, just read the title of the thread and you'll see it's not only spanish who are a bit superficial. Indeed I haven't seen the spanish members of this forum start ridiculous claims such as this thread.

And about Tele5, I have the bad habit of reading a lot of newspapers and watching things in different chanels. And while I agree that Tele5 is FA biased I could tell you that it's not different from any of the other national TV from a country in which they have a top level driver.
There is the business of driving cars fast and there is the business of getting people to turn on TV and watch them.
And if you are a long term motorsport fan, you surely know that as modest as Spain might be, there is a pretty stong base of motorstport fans who haven't reached the sport with FA.
Cheers
David

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As I said in one of my posts, there are spanish Alonso fans (just becuse he is Spanish, whatever he does and that didn't watch F1 before and will stop watching when Alonso stops wining) and Spanish Formula 1 fans that have choosen to support Alonso.

Hope you understand me now.

About Tele5, I feel sorry for those who haven't any other chance. To call them only biased is too much a sweet word.
Cheers

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Originally Posted by wmcot

You have the "nationalistic fans" who support the individual based on his country of origin.

You have the "knowledgeable fans" who understand the sport and individuals involved and respect them for the talents they possess.

Then you have the fans, like my wife, who started following Alonso after Indy 2004 because he looked cute with his Mild Seven headband and had a pretty blue and yellow car! :)

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I think that sums it up pretty well :up: :s mokin: