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Carpentier is a nice guy, good to see him get a ride.
Hopefully he is more consistent when he has a long term contract in place as OW fans know his last few years he only stepped it up when he was renegotiating his contract.
I hope Carp makes the leap. A Good ole Canadian boy to race in Cup would be something, but i suspect he would do better learning a little in Busch if he goes full time next year.
I have to agree with the gist of this article .....
why don't some openwheel drivers :
look to move to Nascar BEFORE they are past their prime ???
come to Nascar BEFORE their options in openwheel racing dry up ???
why come to Nascar when it appears to be their last option ??? http://www.motorsportforum.com/forum...s/rolleyes.gif
http://www.nascar.com/2007/news/opin...llo/index.html
Nascar seems to be considered the retirement home for over-the-hill openwheel drivers ..... http://www.motorsportforum.com/forum...s/rolleyes.gif
Well, c'mon on in boys, we'll treat y'all right & educate you on the fine art of stockcar racin' ...
y'all be sure to pull them belts good & tight, the wall comes up fast & y'all will learn that first ! http://www.motorsportforum.com/forum...ongue-anim.gif
I say more of these guys need to make the splash into Endurance racing like in ALMS or LMS in Europe. I think they would be better off in the Prototypes or GT categories as they should stick to Road Course racing instead of learning ovals
The big money's not in endurance racing. They can always go there if they want to, since the competitive drivers can still do well in endurance racing well into their 50s. (EFR, Ickx, Redman, Hobbs, etc.)Quote:
Originally Posted by harvick#1
A case of why? At least in NASCAR they can be potentially competitive in their 30's till they reach 50. As well as branch out into the Grand Am series as well.Quote:
why don't some openwheel drivers :
look to move to Nascar BEFORE they are past their prime ???
come to Nascar BEFORE their options in openwheel racing dry up
At this stage a Win Win situation for them and NASCAR.
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Originally Posted by RaceFanStan
Having just returned from RIR for the races over the weekend, I can assure you that a number of drivers passed during the brief first green flag session don't think Montoya is past his prime. He moved forward five positions during that brief period. :D
Dario F. is hardly past his prime . The cork is still in the champagne for his championship , and the ink is dry on his NASCAR contract . And A.J. Almondinger almost took the championship from the F1 bound Bourdou last year and look where he is . These gyes gave up winning top caliber rides in open wheel to be field fillers in Cup .
Ummm if guys can race in NASCAR into their 50's, cant it be a retirement league?
Besides whats the problem with the OW guys coming over, shouldnt all the NASCAR faithful be proud that their series is attracting F1 talent?
And whats the crap about OW guys sticking to road courses? Duh, American OW has a long long history on ovals. JV experience on ovals, yup, JPM on ovals, yup, robby gordon on ovals, yup, dario franchittio on ovals, yup.
Be happy thats a great crop of talent is looking at and coming to NASCAR, considering how many people look at it as "Hill Billy Racin".
There's a lot more incentive to race for a long time in NASCAR since the drivers actually get paid to drive . . . . instead of having to pay the team for the honor of driving their car like they do in American Open Wheel Racing. You can't continue to drive for years in America Open Wheel Racing when you continue to have to pay the team. After a while, the drivers wise up.Quote:
Originally Posted by JasonD
When American Open Wheel racing was actually a viable racing series Mario Andretti won a CART race at the age of 53. The oldest NASCAR driver to ever win a race was Harry Gant at the age of 52.
and considering how many fans of American Open Wheel Racing are drool-on-your-shirt stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by JasonD
The exception to the rule. As CART(prior to that USAC) became more competitive the ages started tumbling downQuote:
When American Open Wheel racing was actually a viable racing series Mario Andretti won a CART race at the age of 53. The oldest NASCAR driver to ever win a race was Harry Gant at the age of 52.
JV is the quickest Toyota in his first Cup test drive in a COT!
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/62258
Go JV!!!!!!!!!
Granted A LOT of drivers are ride buyers, but its their sponsor flipping the bill and they are getting paid thought be it small by the sponsor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee Roy
Now dont forget we're looking at OW from both sides of the ocean. Last I checked JPM was getting PAID, JV was getting PAID(took at HUGE paycut when he joined sauber though), Dario is getting PAID, PT is getting PAID.
Well thats just not nice. I think you will agree that NASCAR has a bad rap but considering some of the crap SOME fans pull it gives a real black eye to the series. When was the last time you saw OW fans pelting a winning driver with beer cans? Yes there was the 2005 US GP with people throwing stuff on the track, which was a disgrace, and Im not saying you support that kind of attitude, but in the eyes of the world how does that make NASCAR look? Pretty bad is the only answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee Roy
Im a fan of OW first and NASCAR second, but I am very excited to see some of my favourite drivers going to NASCAR.
With NASCAR theres a race almost every week, full fields, no canceled events, and actual passing. Its good stuff.
Saw it first hand. I was there.Quote:
Originally Posted by JasonD
Why don't you just leave the "Hill-billy" **** over on the OW forums. We don't need it around here.
Kinda like how we dont need "drool-on-your-shirt stupid" comments either? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee Roy
Back on topic though, how about JV being the #1 Toyota yesterday? I was a little surprised, I thought it might take him more time. But testing is quite different than racing.
JV Rawks - 3 fast today - eyes are opening
I was in the crowd cheering for JV in 1995 when he won at Road America ( after his Indy 500 victory ) . Its great to have him back in a series where driver tallent is importent .
Its easy to sympathise with the fans but I certainly wouldn't advocate throwing crap onto a car just because its a #24 Dupont Chevy!Quote:
Originally Posted by JasonD
Ooooohh... I don't know....
it's tough to answer!
I remember one of the Rio CART races ended under yellow and the Brazillian fans booed!
I remember a Pepsi 400 (I know there were others but Daytona was memorable for some reason) there were boos and beer cans and crap thrown at the end of the race because the race ended under yellow. So what did NASCAR do next? They came up with the green/white/chequer!
In F1 when Barrichello moved over to let Schumacher through to win in Austria in 2001/2002, there were boos at the end of the race.
Seriously, I wish F1 fans threw rubbish and crap on to race tracks in the late 1990s/early 2000s for the parades we had to put up with!
Sometimes direct action works, sometimes it doesn't.
One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist.
Maybe we can get this thread back on track with a review of where things are now.
36->27 Jacques Villeneuve (replacing Mayfield) Bill Davis Toyota
(announced, but no sponsor yet 90%?)
06? Sam Hornish Jr (3rd Penske South) Mobil1? Dodge
(Sam said it was 50/50 a few weeks ago, seems like it's at least 80% now. No sponsor yet, but that's never been a big problem for Roger Penske.)
40 Dario Franchitti (replacing Stremme) Ganassi/Sabates Canadian Club? Dodge
(Rumored and NOT denied, sponsor may come with, +70%) Was also in discussion on the 4th RCR car.
10->? Patrick Carpentier (replacing Riggs or 4th GEM) Gillett Evernham Dodge
(Rumored sponsors could be Valvoline or Dodge Dealers/UAW moving over from Kasey Kahne's car. 60%)
Did I miss any?
BTW other ROY rookies:
Regan Smith in DEI #01 (If he doesn't start any more Cup races after this weekend.)
Anyone know if Carp has a sponsorship deal with Mechachrome people still?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonesi
This guy is one savvy cookie, he not only has wins, but also is servicing 5 teams, but how does he stop other teams from internal sabatage?
This is a great business he has got , but his has to make sure there are no leaks!
JV was third fastest in drafting session yesterday!
I didn't know about the possible sponsors on him. Should be interesting to watch. The company my wife works for has a hand in sponsoring Kahnes car now. Actually they are a broker to the company, but a sponsor of some sort.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonesi
Go JV!!!!!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
Alonso & Hamilton to NASCAR, you heard it here first!!!
Oh Wait!!
Nevermind. :D ;)
If Alonso came, I think Nascar would end
Why? As F1 champions go, he seems like a nice guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by harvick#1
He can be a nice guy, a little cocky now, but hey you would be too if you beat Michael Schumacker.
Isnt JV going to be in a truck this weekend or is it next weekend?
he's got an even worse ego than MontyQuote:
Originally Posted by Jonesi
a majority of openwheel drivers are so full of themselves that they think driving stockcars will be easy for them.
It will be quite pleasing for me to watch them FAIL miserably. http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g2...k/orn/evil.gif
Got any quotes to back that statement up?Quote:
Originally Posted by RaceFanStan
I dont think they look at it as easy. If anything them staying right where they are would be easy. Driving at 150mph with 42 other guys, drafting, less downforce, near weekly races, day-to-night racing, bumping, drafting. Easy I dont think they would say.
Competitive or a challenge is what they would say.
And what if stockcars are easy for them, what if they excel, will that speak to the easiness of driving the car or the skill of the driver.Quote:
Originally Posted by RaceFanStan
He just makes it up as he goes..facts ruin his arguement.Quote:
Got any quotes to back that statement up?
Well that will be a very very long waitQuote:
It will be quite pleasing for me to watch them FAIL miserably
JV is a great driver, but draft speed don't mean a whole lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by wedge
All, or most all, that have/are coming over to Nascar were very good "in their type of racing". However, it is a different story for them racing in Nascar. Some may make it some will not. I expect to see them running in 20th or below.
It means he was comfortable running in the draft, a necessary skill set for nascar at some tracks. But then in a big test like that, everybody's your friend, come race time......Quote:
Originally Posted by BenRoethig
It will take a while before he gets the hang of racing in a draftQuote:
All, or most all, that have/are coming over to Nascar were very good "in their type of racing". However, it is a different story for them racing in Nascar. Some may make it some will not. I expect to see them running in 20th or below.
Dario looks set for NASCAR with Ganassi.
He's going to be testing one of Chip's cars for upcoming ARCA race at Talladega.
http://www.speedtv.com/articles/nextel/nascar/40322/
Former IRL Champion & Indianapolis 500 Winner Buddy Lazier is going Craftsman Truck Series racing. :D
Buddy Lazier will drive the Billy Ballew Motorsports #15 Chevrolet truck @ Las Vegas this coming Saturday.
The Billy Ballew Motorsports #15 Chevrolet truck is 22nd in CTS Owner's Points ...
that means that the #15 truck is guaranteed to start the race, so Buddy Lazier WILL race !
Billy Ballew Motorsports builds a good competitive truck, hopefully Buddy Lazier will get a good finish. :D :up: