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12th August 2007, 22:39
harvick#1

here comes a big wreck
12th August 2007, 22:47
call_me_andrew

Holy crap Gordon spun!
12th August 2007, 22:48
xtlm

oh my................................................ ...............
12th August 2007, 22:49
xtlm

oh my again......
12th August 2007, 22:52
call_me_andrew

I don't know what race Rusty was watching, but that had way too many yellows to be a good race.
12th August 2007, 22:55
muggle not

I will rate the race 8.5 out of 10. Great race.
12th August 2007, 22:59
muggle not

Will Candy-Azz get fined for his language on TV.
12th August 2007, 23:01
e2mtt

Awesome race. Wow. Didn't see the 24 spin coming... Tony is still the man on road couses. My cable went out with 7 laps to go, I had to listen to it on the radio.
12th August 2007, 23:01
harvick#1

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Originally Posted by call_me_andrew

Holy crap Gordon spun!

got to scared of the Pumpkin behind him :laugh:
12th August 2007, 23:04
harvick#1

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Originally Posted by muggle not

Will Candy-Azz get fined for his language on TV.

you already know they are both getting fined, Monty should get more though for pushing Harv twice.

I'm sure they will get 25-50K and Probation until Dec. 31
12th August 2007, 23:06
e2mtt

Quote:

Originally Posted by harvick#1

got to scared of the Pumpkin behind him :laugh:

hahaha halloween comes early!
12th August 2007, 23:11
harvick#1

I just have to question Edwards, did he just flat out miss that corner, he went flying through the gravel trap
12th August 2007, 23:27
Jonesi

Quote:

Originally Posted by e2mtt

Awesome race. Wow. Didn't see the 24 spin coming... Tony is still the man on road couses. My cable went out with 7 laps to go, I had to listen to it on the radio.

ESPN missed it live. Expect to see it replayed on every sports/news show tonight.
12th August 2007, 23:39
harvick#1

Quote:

Originally Posted by e2mtt

Awesome race. Wow. Didn't see the 24 spin coming... Tony is still the man on road couses. My cable went out with 7 laps to go, I had to listen to it on the radio.

He wheel-hopped turn 1 just like what Stewart did earlier in the race
12th August 2007, 23:48
muggle not

Quote:

Originally Posted by harvick#1

you already know they are both getting fined, Monty should get more though for pushing Harv twice.
I'm sure they will get 25-50K and Probation until Dec. 31

Twice!!! He must have pushed him at least 4 or 5 times. Forget the money, it is the point penalties that will burn.
13th August 2007, 00:05
dont_be_jack

This is looking more than more like 2005 when Tony won the championship...

He's getting hot at the end of the season and remaining completely relaxed. We'll have to see how well Gordon can keep his point lead up...
13th August 2007, 00:16
Jonesi

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Originally Posted by dont_be_jack

This is looking more than more like 2005 when Tony won the championship...

He's getting hot at the end of the season and remaining completely relaxed. We'll have to see how well Gordon can keep his point lead up...

Realistically Johnson would have to win or Tony win twice more.
Right now Gordon & Johnson start the chase with 5040 points, Tony 5030, everyone else 5010 points, but Bowyer with 5000.
13th August 2007, 00:21
harvick#1

wow, ten points, that's 2 positions, thats no lead :p :

in F1 yes, but Nascar, not even close
13th August 2007, 00:25
Jonesi

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Originally Posted by harvick#1

wow, ten points, that's 2 positions, thats no lead :p :

in F1 yes, but Nascar, not even close

But it explains why anything but a win at this point, is meaningless to Jeff.
13th August 2007, 02:13
BobbyC

Jeff Gordon also is officially secured in the Chase with his 9th place finish (needed to be 12th to lock). Nobody else is an official lock.

Wild race, but it shows what racing drivers can do -- race hard, race right, and drive. Despite the complaints about the lack of grip and downforce, it shows that these cars are best for road racing, since the road-course "ringers" had to learn to drive a car without the fancy grip and brakes they have with their usual cars.
13th August 2007, 02:13
Jonesi

Updated owner points are up on Jayski. Putting Boris Said in #21 for Elliott seems to have paid off, his 14th for 121 points over Blaney's 35th for 58 points moved them into the "Top 35" with 37 points over #22.
17th August 2007, 00:09
Jonesi

Here's something interesting that wasn't covered by any other source. If true, it appears Nascar moved Robby Gordon back a position under caution, just to see if he would behave himself doing it.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/story/7119022
17th August 2007, 03:27
e2mtt

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonesi

Here's something interesting that wasn't covered by any other source. If true, it appears Nascar moved Robby Gordon back a position under caution, just to see if he would behave himself doing it.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/story/7119022

I noticed that when it happened... I knew Biffle didn't pass him on the track, but under the yellow Biffle got ahead. Dirty, dirty, dirty.
17th August 2007, 04:51
Sparky1329

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonesi

Here's something interesting that wasn't covered by any other source. If true, it appears Nascar moved Robby Gordon back a position under caution, just to see if he would behave himself doing it.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/story/7119022

If that's not scummy I don't know what is. I thought the sport was being managed by adults. Apparently not.
17th August 2007, 12:51
muggle not

I think y'all missed my post in the Conspiracy topic:

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Originally Posted by muggle not

msn.foxsports.com/nascar/story/7119022

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Originally Posted by muggle not

NASCAR giving Gordon a real test by Lee Spencer

"WATKINS GLEN, N.Y. - You can't keep a good racer down.

But if NASCAR has a whipping boy, it would be Robby Gordon. He was clearly jobbed at Montreal, but the pettiness of NASCAR testing its obedience lesson on him at Watkins Glen on Sunday was just vindictive.

With 14 laps remaining in the Centurion Boats at the Glen, NASCAR forced Gordon to line up in the ninth position behind Greg Biffle.

A little background: The No. 16 (Biffle) hadn't moved from 19th position from Lap 50 to Lap 60 while the No. 7 (Gordon) jumped from 27th to 12th in the same period. Through the next four laps, as cars pitted in front of Gordon and Biffle, they moved to eighth and ninth, respectively, in the running order.

When second-place Jeremy Mayfield pitted on the following lap, Kurt Busch moved into second behind leader Jeff Gordon. On Lap 64, third-place Dale Earnhardt Jr.'s engine failed. During that same lap, Caution 5 was called for debris following an altercation between Clint Bowyer and Ryan Newman. Busch, who entered the race seven points ahead of the sidelined Earnhardt, pitted for fuel, was slapped with a "speeding" penalty and was forced to restart 30th on Lap 67.

By then, Gordon had climbed to eighth. One lap later, Kyle Petty's engine failed and Caution 6 flew for oil on the track. Gordon remained eighth throughout the multi-car crash that prompted Caution 7 (which lasted from Laps 74 to 77 and included a 26-minute red-flag period on Lap 76) and led to a shoving match between Kevin Harvick and Juan Pablo Montoya.

During the red-flag delay, one of Gordon's crewmen commented over the radio: NASCAR's got a couple of new bad boys to worry about.

But Gordon prognosticated, "I'm sure I'll be on the 'A' list for a while."

Gordon didn't know how right he was. Shock was the first emotion expressed on Gordon's channel when NASCAR tested the team with the directive to cede the No. 7's eighth-place position to Biffle. Then silence.

"I just want to know if that's a new rule," Gordon asked his crew. "Unbelievable. Are you sure they don't want to put someone else in front of me?"

Certainly, the sanctioning body was testing Gordon's willingness to comply Sunday afternoon — after he had repeatedly ignored NASCAR's black flags and instructions to fall back to 13th position late in the Aug. 4 Busch race at Montreal.

According to Kerry Tharp, NASCAR director of public relations, "On Lap 72, the 7 is ahead of the 16, they go down into Turn 1 and the caution comes out. The field is frozen and the 7 has lost a spot to the 16. While he may have been riding ahead of the 16 during the caution, he was placed in his proper postion (behind the 16) before they resumed to green flag racing."

But neither Gordon nor timing and scoring in the media center picked up on the change.

On Aug. 5, Gordon was parked at Pocono, then fined $35,000 and placed on probation with "the stipulation that if, during the remaining NASCAR events in 2007, there is another action by Gordon that is deemed by NASCAR officials as detrimental to stock car racing or to NASCAR, or is disruptive to the orderly conduct of an event, he will be suspended indefinitely from NASCAR."

Screwing with Gordon on a road course is asking for trouble. But Gordon opted for the high road — chicanes and all. He collected himself, reminded the team, "It's their sandbox and we just played in it," then issued the warning: the 16 better be prepared to move over.

Crew chief Gene Nead replied, "Take no prisoners!"

And Gordon did just that. Despite a bad pit stop exacerbated by engine, ignition and brake issues, Gordon easily overtook Biffle and his Roush-Fenway teammate, Matt Kenseth, in short order.

By Lap 80, Gordon had moved up to sixth as the eighth and final caution flag waved after P.J. Jones spun in the inner loop. With eight circuits remaining in the race, Gordon lined up behind Jeff Gordon, Tony Stewart, Denny Hamlin, Carl Edwards and Jimmie Johnson.

After the crew advised Gordon of his position, the driver asked, "They won't make anyone go in front of me?"

Nead answered, "No, but they'd like you to pass the 48 (Johnson), 99 (Edwards) and 11 (Hamlin) before the day's over."

With a challenge from behind by Ron Fellows on Lap 85, who was powered by a Joe Gibbs Racing engine, Gordon relinquished the sixth position. But he remained patient, working diligently with the equipment he had. As the No. 24 (Jeff Gordon) spun out with two laps to go, Robby Gordon regained the sixth position. On the final lap, Edwards pushed a bit too hard and slid into the gravel in Turn 10, opening the door for Gordon to finish a season-high fifth.

"It didn't take long to pass them. I told the guys we would get two or three on the first lap — and that's exactly what we did," Gordon said. "Unfortunately, I used up my brakes trying to get there. I'm not sure what that call was about. Maybe they went all the way back to the start-finish line, but I don't get it.

"My car bobbled and misfired and a couple of 'em made a jump on me, but I passed them all right back in Turn 1. I don't think (Biffle) was ever in front of me, but what are you going to do? Time and again they pull this stuff, what do you want me to do?"

Just keep your helmet held high and race."
17th August 2007, 13:12
RaceFanStan

It's good that Robby raced smart & allowed NASCAR to play their game.
NASCAR punished Robby for Montreal, now they need to let Robby race ! http://www.motorsportforum.com/forum...ongue-anim.gif
18th August 2007, 05:31
Sparky1329

NASCAR needs to grown the f*** up.
21st August 2007, 13:14
Mark in Oshawa

Heck...I have always known NASCAR plays games, now we have it out there and it looks obvious that Robby was a target for a bit of their games. Makes you wonder about the validity about their pit lane speeding penalities too......because they don't use or admit to using a radar gun to time guys in pit lane, it is all done with a stop watch and an official timing cars between lines......now who is to say some games are not being played THERE???

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