The combination needed if you´re not top driver...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
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The combination needed if you´re not top driver...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
He does not pay for the car.
Hyundai pays.
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I bet that is not at all true...Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
In the same way that there are Even logos all over his WRC2 car, this is isn't a free ride.....
Well there is a small chance that WRC car will suit him better than R5, there are a few drivers which are like that (and also the other way around). But based on how many rallies he has done in multiple different cars without big success I doubt it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
Imo he is turning into a new Matt Wilson, ok speed, just not enough to get on podium. Better to watch him than Al Quassimi or something like that thought. On the other hand he is at least partly closing the door for people like Hutunen.
With regards to Monza it is possible it will be the car spec from before mid 2019 that Loubet is driving... in that case I can't see how he can be faster than anyone of 8 "factory" drivers even on single stages.
With Hyundai, you mean Hyundai Norway or something? Hard to believe Hyundai Motorsport is paying for the ride. I would believe it if he would be WRC2 champion by now or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by skarderud
Yes. It's hard to imagine that Hyundai chose Veiby over, for example, Huttunen.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
If it comes to Veiby-Huttunen choice, it is very easy:cool: Huttunen has still some job to do in WRC 3. Veiby can't even score in WRC 2.
Here is about payment: https://www.vg.no/sport/motorsport/i...m-utrolig-kult
You're right, I stand corrected, although it still seems kinda random :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom K
Sure, it is strange. Maybe it has sth common with Team B and taking points from Toyota? I do not know whether they officially registered Hyundai 2C Competition as a Team B. According to pre-covid sporting rules Team B cannot give points for main manu, but could take it away from rivals. And there were also some restrictions about who can drive in Team B. So it is not that easy just to put Sordo/Breen in fourth i20 WRC. Loeb is focused on Dakar.
Of course, small chance that Veiby will be faster than Toyota trio, but...
They did register 2C, they even got their first manufacturer points in Sardegna (Loubet retired both Estonia and Turkey on the final day).
It's true that the rule states that they cannot swap drivers between A and B teams so all of Sordo, Breen and Loeb are out of question...maybe it's also a slap in the face to Mikkelsen, who talked bad about them?
Oh sorry! You are right. I forgot that Huttunen hasn't won WRC3 yet! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom K
Hopefully we will get some proper three-way battle for WRC 3 title in Bergamo mountains :)
it's simply politics of Hyundai Motorsport, for Ypres they also offered Team B car for one good driver
I thought Tsjoen would have been more like having an enjoyable gentleman in a top class car in his home rally, and the car had his own sponsor decalsQuote:
Originally Posted by br21
Tsjoen yes, he was normal paying customer, they were speaking with other driver
Tsjoen is a paying customer indeed, and sort of gentleman driver, but he might have got some special deal anyway. With his company he's been buying steel from Hyundai Steel for years (they produce very high quality steel for deep drawing), and has been invited to WRC events by Hyundai in the past. But that's a bit off-topic. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by br21
Rule also says that 2C (or any other "B team") can enter only one (1) car for manufacturers championship, I strongly believe that Loubet is faster with WRC than Veiby.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
So probably Loubet for points and OC Veiby "just for fun"
To be honest I don't think either Loubet or Veiby is in a WRC car because of their extraordinary talent... ;)
In the case of Loubet, it's clear that FFSA is funding those drives. But for Veiby, the Norwegian article stated that Hyundai is paying all expenses.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
So there would have been the three factory cars, Loubet, Tsjoen and this mystery driver? Six cars altogether?Quote:
Originally Posted by br21
Loubet has never done any rallies in France, he didn't go through any of the trophies the talented French drivers come from, completely ignored FFSA and everything they're standing behind (the trophies, Rallye Jeunes etc). This year he suddenly appears with a few FFSA-stickers on the car and "it's clear that FFSA is funding those drives"? Come on... France has better drivers to care about than him. ;) I think there's some big (private) budget behind him, regardless of the stickers that may appear on his car.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
For sure private budget as well, but he's in FFSA's program. I don't think he would put those stickers on the car without getting anything in return.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Loubet is 2019 WRC2 Champion...Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
so trying WRC is natural step
so who are those better/faster French drivers ?
(Bonato, Camilli, Ciamin, Formaux and Rossel have failed to deliver)
ERC/WRC level not any "village event heroes"
You're right I forgot he was WRC2 champion, even though he had only one finish within two minutes of the quickest R5-car (Wales 1 minute behind the WRC2Pro winner). Quite a joke, these splitted championships in the same category. :) Maybe I'm a bit biased about him, from what I've personally seen I can't believe he'll ever make it further than being a paying privateer. Anyway, my point was that I can't believe FFSA is paying (much) for him, certainly not in the way AnttiL states "FFSA funds his drives".
This year it's a bit sad in France with very little events, so hard to say who's where at the moment. Honestly I don't think there's any future top WRC driver among them right now, although some drivers have more potential than Loubet I think. The Franceschi brothers were looking very promising although Jean-Baptiste's results were a bit off this year. I wouldn't write off Ciamin yet, he's still only 22 years old. For Fourmaux I think he skipped a few steps, and that has backfired for him. Going from a 140hp Fiesta R2Junior in France straight to R5 in WRC events, and having a strange co-driver switch at the same time...
But going way off-topic right here... ;)
Robert Kubica confirmed in an interview that we was interested in competing in Monza Rally. Unfortunately, it will be impossible, because at the same time he has to be at the Formula 1 Sakhir Grand Prix together with the whole Alfa Romeo Racing Orlen team.
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Originally Posted by tommeke_B
I have to warn you. You need to be careful with opinions about Loubet. I was even more biased about him than you and have a look at what happened:Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
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One year later Loubet won WRC2 and I had to eat my words! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
I saw Loubet live with wrc at Alba and impressed me. Sure i can be wrong, but I think he can show something, probably more than Veiby and Greensmith...
Great effort to polish Monza Rally turd…Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
It just missed to say that the WRC will be decided on a Mickey Mouse rally, run on a highly Covid affected region, while the ERC will have its titles decided on a proper rally (with a remarkable entry list), run on a low Covid rate area. Hats off to Eurosport Events!
Recently they have strange attitude. Also idea from Clark: Let's do 4-5 events in NZ and AU and stay there 3 month :rotflmao:
And he's seriously suggesting all that is put together for the beginning of 2021, while we're already in November and containers should soon be on ships going to NZ if they want to be there in time...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom K
We know that Colin loves Australia and NZ, he visits many local events usually. He's also often expressed his love for Coffs Harbour based Rally Australia, touting it as the best round of the WRC season.
He's spent too long at stage ends and not in the real world.
This. I don't understand why they didn't try to take advantage of the many empty weeks between one WRC round and another and go for Canarias, or Roma Capitale back then (among others). Even by just sending there the RC1 cars. Instead, they just idle around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
I saw veiby at ypres last year. His best stage result was 8th, behind local gentleman drivers.Quote:
Originally Posted by wyler
He's not even second class behind the best drivers. He's third class at best, somewhere between the faster gentleman drivers.
I don't see why anyone would want to put him in a wrc car.
Yep, bringing Canarias to the WRC would certainly be better than having Monza as the series finale, but in face of Latvia’s event rejection one can wonder if there wasn’t a clash between WRC and ERC promoters.Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
Anyway, the main error was to allow Ypres moving to late November, when it was already clear that the second Covid wave was starting; without that reckless move we would have the WRC finished by now, with all champs decided in seven proper events.
By keeping Ypres in its original date would have meant canceling of Turkey and having Sardegna in its late October slot, which could have also meant cancellation...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
It's easy to say afterwards how it should have been done. The WRC calendar is not a simple jigsaw puzzle.
Veiby has won WRC2 once, it was in Poland 2017. He often makes outrageously fast stage wins but is unable to retain this pace throughout a rally and/or crashes.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
One explanation could be that Veiby and Gryazin (who both brought a big budget to their WRC2 programs) had a deal that included a prize drive for the one with more WRC2 points at the end of the season.
I'm sure M-Sport, Hyundai and Toyota would be happy to foot the bills for that one. What a bizarre idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom K
It was a little more basic than a clash between promoters.......Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
…..can’t you explain it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lancia Stratos