M-Sport to homologate first Rally3 car:
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/m-spo...st-rally3-car/
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M-Sport to homologate first Rally3 car:
https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/m-spo...st-rally3-car/
So, MSport will be first again to homologate for a new class!
The Rally3 could turn out to be another money maker for them.
Renault is still standing with a plan on paper, arent they?
New photos from Ford Fiesta Rally3 tests that were held in Poland this month can be found below. It wasn't revealed who was driving the car. It is only known that this time it wasn't Kajto and that the driver wasn't Polish:
https://wokolmotoryzacji.pl/fiesta-r...oC6Av03WzD8UAM
According to the rumours yes, but before the Clio Rally3 they'll launch the Rally4, on which they're now working (in order to homologate it on early 2021).Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
https://dirtfish.com/rally/m-sport-r....co/NqAuG3X4ef
M-Sport reveals 1.5-liter engine plan for Rally3
More details of M-Sport's latest rally car have been revealed – and there's a surprise under the hood
David Evans
M-Sport reveals 1.5-liter engine plan for Rally3
M-Sport Poland’s groundbreaking Ford Fiesta Rally3 will run an all-new 1.5-liter turbocharged engine when it arrives in January.
The world’s first four-wheel drive Rally3 car will be powered by the 197bhp EcoBoost unit found in the Fiesta ST road car. The original expectation had been that it would follow the one-litre route from the Fiesta Rally4.
The FIA took the decision to broaden the original Rally3 regulations to allow for cars from one liter to 1.6 – with power outputs equalized and regulated via the turbo’s restrictor.
These changes in rules governing which engines can be used in what’s increasingly seen as a vital class for domestic rallying – as well as the progression through the World Rally Championship – are the reason the Fiesta Rally3 began its testing programme later than planned.
M-Sport on course to deliver world’s first Rally3 car
The Fiesta Rally3 is in the middle of an intensive asphalt and gravel test schedule in Poland. The car is expected to continue with more rough road running next month.
M-Sport Poland managing director Maciek Woda told DirtFish: “When it became clear we could make the change from the one-liter engine, we were keen to work with Ford on that. This three-cylinder, turbocharged engine just gives us that bit more torque – which is great for a four-wheel drive car.”
The standard torque figure from the Fiesta ST road car is 214lb-ft (290Nm).
“The engine has worked really well,” said Woda. “We are very happy with the way the testing’s going. We’re gathering good and useful data and having no major problems.”
Now imagine if GR Yaris is eligible for Rally 3..
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If it is 1620 ccm for Rally3 as well, then it could happen, but what do we know of allowed 4wd systems in this class?
Toyota GR Yaris - Technical Specifications
- Type: 3 in line cylinders.
- Valve mechanism: DOHC 12-valve with VVTi.
- Fuel system: D4S - Direct & indirect injection.
- Supercharging: Turbo.
- Displacement: 1.618 cm3.
- Bore x stroke: 87.5 mm X 89.7 mm.
- Compression ratio: 10.5:1.
- Max. power: 261hp/192kW.
That sounds quite different at full chat on asphalt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira
It doesn´t matter which 4wd or other "transmission" system road car has ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
With so many rule changes, it woudn't be a surprise having the new limit raised to 1620cc...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Anyway, Rally3 is increasingly becoming a sort of light R5 rather than a Rally4+; somehow it makes sense as the originally planned up to 1333cc engines (using a 30mm restrictor) would probably limit the cars interest, especially on tarmac.
Would love to see a Rally3 project from Tommi Makinen Racing, based on the GR Yaris.
Except of Latvalla, Neuville and Sainz, no other driver in WRC history would ever have the chance to become a WRC driver if there were not cheap cars when they were young. There would not be any Vatanen, Mikkola, Alen, Rohrl, Auriol, Kankkunen, McRae, Loeb, Ogier. None of these rally masters had the financial ability in their youth to drive cars of the cost of R2s and R3s of modern times. R2s and R3s are awfully expensive for 99% of the young drivers. This destructive regulation must stop immediately and there must be regulations that permit cheap rally cars to be made.
I am 51 years old, I have my own business and I cannot buy an R3. I drive an old GrA with 190bhp on 880 kg that cost 25.000 euros and lots of personal hours to build, with a homologated roll cage from Custom Cages. It is immense stupidity or utter hypocrisy to ask a 25-year-old driver to find 100.000 euros for an R3.
there's still some way, imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by scn
Young drivers (<25) will start in rally5/4 in their national championship, whit cup like renault or peugeot or with fiesta ladder (all the way from rally4 to top). then there's junior wrc (or erc). at that time, if talented enough they have won some race/series in entry category and should find sponsor and a drive in r3 or above. no need to buy one themself...
Indeed - we need more manufacturers to make Rally3 cars, otherwise it will just be a Fiesta 'One-make Championship' and this will never replace all the R5 cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Good news: Toyota confirms the development of Rally2 and Rally3 cars: https://dirtfish.com/rally/toyota-se...y2-and-rally3/
I actually thought it to be the other way around.
Gazoo new facility for Rally1 team, and R&D.
Tommy Makinen Racing to make and sell the customer cars from old facility and parts of the Estonian one.
But same same, the important thing is that they will come with Rally2 and 3 cars!
After the 3 days in Poland last week, now in Sardinia.
Pic of Gianluca Sanna
https://scontent.fopo3-2.fna.fbcdn.n...df&oe=5FAFFB9D
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Where would you see these cars being used? WRC3? JWRC? Or would there be JWRC and JWRC2 for 4WD and 2WD cars with different prices? I believe in Finland they could use this in the SM2 category (SM1 is Rally2 cars, SM2 is currently mostly old Group N cars)
Do we know if MSport will testrun the Rally3 in a rally, outside competition, to promote the new class?
Just so potential buyers can see the potential.
I see them go into RC3 in Int rallys, not many new R3 cars made/sold anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
In national series I guess it will be a bit different, but the plan with this class is to replace N4.
Dunno why you mentioned Neuville, since he started with an Opel Corsa and didn't really have a lot of budget. However, you could probably add Oliver Rovanperä and Oliver Solberg to the list.Quote:
Originally Posted by scn
I don't think Rally3 (not R3! targeted to someone's first rally car or a hobby rally car. It will be an entry-level 4WD car that can compete in national championships and perhaps even WRC3, another step on the ladder which is now missing between Rally4 and Rally2.
I don't think individual people just go and buy a rally car like this (well some rich people probably do), but there's obviously a team with funding behind to get one, and usually with some background in other cars before that.
R3/R3T are in RC4 (same as Rally4/R2) 2021-Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
so RC3 is only for Rally3 from 2021-
Good, so they get their own class.Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
And we know Ford is coming and Toyota will make Rally3 after cyl volume changed from 1000 to 1620 ccm.
what about the French brands, any news on them?
will Ford sell kits, so teams can modify a nirmal Fiesta shell to accept the 4wd, and bolt on the rest of the kit?
There were rumours about Renault Rally3 and also Dirtfish mentioned today that there will be Hyundai Rally3
Yep, it’s not hard to imagine Rally3 as a new WRC support series, alongside JWRC and WRC2, or replacing ERC2 (and even ERC1 Junior) in the ERC. In national championships they can, finally, take N4 place.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
And when Opel now homologates the Rally4 Corsa soon, well, maybe we could see a Corsa Rally3 car from them. Opel needs it, to continue their strong rally history.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenneth
https://translate.google.com/transla...artloechern%2F
With many maker's current road cars now often hybrid and then being fully-electric in the near future, are ICE Rally3 cars still a good image to promote them ?
Well, manufacturers aren’t really spending marketing money on lower class cars. The business of building and selling the cars is usually outsourced to a company like M-Sport and the cars are run by privateer teams. All they have to do is sign the homologation paper.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Think of VW and the Polo R5. They put it out after pulling out of combustion engine motorsports, but only one WRC event had a manufacturer team entry.
Seems like Nil Solans will be first pilot in the Rally3 Fiesta, from https://www.emotorsport.se/nyheter.p...yhets_id=19653
Solans satisfied with Fiesta Rally3, is expected to make the WC & EC start for M-Sport 2021.
Soon M-Sport will launch Ford Fiesta Rally3, then performance and price tag will be presented. The car that will be the step between Rally2 and Rally4, simply explained the step between R2 and R5. The car is a four-wheel drive and sharpened R2 rather than a slimmed down R5. The look is tamer, no expensive spoiler kits or expensive components. The class will make its debut on January 1st, then the FIA homologation will also be ready for the car and it can start competing. The car has been developed and built by the M-Sports Polish branch, those who also handle the operation of the Junior WC series and the two-wheel drive cars.
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Fiesta Rally3 will be the first four-wheel drive Ford for the team in Poland, the big test and development work has been done by former junior world champion, the Spaniard Nil Solans.
Four-wheel drive and just over 200 horsepower await, the price tag is expected to end up at 200-300´000 kronor more than a fully equipped Fiesta Rally4 which is then used in the WC series - at the same time well below a Fiesta Rally2.
The car and the class will even out the steps for juniors, an intermediate step for driving four-wheel drive with a smaller budget. Solans as a test driver believes that the driving technique is very similar to what awaits when you later take the step up to Rally2 - a good car to learn in, says the Spaniard.
Above all, the car is aimed at a start for national and regional series such as the European Championships. But as more manufacturers join - Hyundai has shown interest, as have Peugeot, Opel and Toyota. This means that in the long run the class can become today's WRC3 as all Rally2 crews are instead referred to WRC2.
There is now much to suggest that Solans will also act as driver in the car when it debuts, for M-Sport it is about marketing the car globally to sell class and car and bring home invested money. Even starts in the World Cup series are waiting with the Spaniard behind the wheel to show off the car's performance and reliability!
Is something going to happen on November 13?
https://www.facebook.com/MSportPolan...7216692714162/
Official presentation of Rally3 car ???Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
Guess so, and maybe a homologation date and price on their car.Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
Any news on who will be next out, or will they give the initial market to MSport for free?
Video via Dirtfish:
https://youtu.be/XVN0QhB81Rs
I like this concept.. curious to see how it looks on dry tarmac, but 400nm is quite impressive. What do R5 cars put out these days?
The first R5 had less.