If you want to add more Estonians to the list, then Ken Torn definitely.
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If you want to add more Estonians to the list, then Ken Torn definitely.
Ah shit of course he is, sorry all Latvians. Will correct tonight.Quote:
Originally Posted by maailmameister
Yeah Ken should be in there, cracking performance last year in JWRC. AddedQuote:
Originally Posted by maailmameister
Loubet is bigger talent than Greensmith :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarek Z
He was able to make some nice stage times, but he was not ready to compete on WRC level...Quote:
Originally Posted by Entertainer
Who are these drivers that took enough time in the national/ERC championships and came straight into the needed WRC level?Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
Most of the time I see you commenting in WRC thread posts you're always commenting "He is too soon in/he was not ready" comments. Please tell us when a driver is ready to join the valued "WRC level"?
Kajto won 3 straight ERC titles but still his best WRC2 result was 4th, In Turkey he lost almost 3 minutes to a winner and in Catalunya he lost 2mins to one of the drivers that you have said "joined WRC level too early"
Where is the line? When are you suppose to join J/WRC/2/3?
Is Lukyanuk now finally ready to join WRC2 boys? Is Sesks ready to join JWRC? what about Kristensson who lost the U27 title to a 19 year old kid from Latvia? Maybe Kajto should do couple seasons in some national series to gain some speed?
No formula for that.
I think it´s the overall person and what he/she did.
Of course results and tactics and not least speed. Also mental abilities counts.
Once they take one step up, you get a partial result or key for that specific person. And maybe so a more relevant judgement of top level rallying.
Unfortunately, not. Besides the two you mentioned, there is the older brother of Fabrizio, named Miguel Zaldivar (as his father). I don't know his exact age, but he must be between 20 and 22 years old. He did some events in R5 car, some good times but still behind Saba and Dominguez.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve.mandzij
There is another one or two young Bolivian drivers, besides Bulacia, but still haven't shown any good results internationally.
And there is Diego Dominguez jr, son of Diego Dominguez, I think 19 years old. If I am not mistaken, he was 2wd Codasur Champion in 2018. Had a huge crash in the last event of Paraguayan Championship.
But still, all of them have a lot to prove yet.
By now we all know that Pluto’s wish seems to be having lots of drivers joining the ERC without never leaving it… ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Essaj
Btw, iniattly I thougth the topic was about young guys starting a career but once it’s also open to not that young drivers from any series, here’s my list of the U30 guys I’m curious to see this year:
WRC: Tidemand; WRC2 Pro: Rovanpera; WRC2: Gryazin; JWRC: Sesks; ERC U28: Wagner (hope at least one of them will be there); ERC U27: Llarena; Portuguese Championship (CPR): Miguel Correia (he’s 27 but has only done one rally season on a Clio R3 and was immediately fast; this year he’ll be driving a Fiesta R5). Fingers crossed for all of them!
Another rally, another victory for Gryazin today.
The boy is a machine.
Yes, he's like a RockNRoll Machine! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Got Mail
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whScu8qkwUY
This time Gryazin won Sigdalsrally in Norway, winning 7 out of 8 stages. One stage was won by Veiby, probably by coincidence ;)
Final results of Sigdalsrally 2019:
1. Nikołaj Griazin/Jarosław Fiedorow (RUS) Skoda Fabia R5 51.01,8
2. Henning Solberg/Ilka Minor (N/A) Skoda Fabia R5 +34,2
3. Ole Christian Veiby/Jonas Andersson (N/S) Volkswagen Polo GTI R5 +1.04,2
4. Anders Grøndal/Marius Fuglerud (N) Ford Fiesta R5 +2.17,8
5. Kenneth Johnsrød/Eirik Borge (N) Ford Fiesta R5 +3.31,9
6. Søren Snartemo/Arne-Ingar Stulen (N) Skoda Fabia R5 +3.41,4
7. Mattias Monelius/Nicklas Edvardsson (S) Skoda Fabia R5 +3.42,4
8. Anders Kjær/Gøril Undebakke (N) Volkswagen Golf II GTI +5.51,3
9. Oddbjørn Røed/Haakon Sande (N) Ford Fiesta R5 +6.15,9
10. Lars Martin Stensbøl/Mads Ola Stensbøl (N) Peugeot 208 R2 +6.51,8
http://www.autoklub.pl/news/foto/201...119_90525h.jpg
Updates on some of the listed talents I have seen/heard these past weeks.
- Kalle Rovanperä,born 2000 (FIN) - Monte-Carlo; crashed on the opening stage, after that speed wise OK weekend - some really nice stage times.
- Gus Greensmith, 1996 (ENG) - Monte-Carlo; Great speed whole weekend, problem free and a rather dominating R5 performace. Deserved victory.
- Nikolay Gryazin, 1997 (RUS) - Two dominate wins in Norwegian championship. Real test is the upcoming rally Sweden.
- Eerik Pietarinen, 1993 (FIN) - Starts the season from Sweden
- Oliver Solberg, 2001 (NOR) - Good performance on his R5 debut, won the latvian rally championship opener. Next rally in a weeks time in Latvia.
- Emil Lindholm, 1996 (FIN) - Dominating victory in Finnish rally championship opener. One small off where he lost +20 secs, but the real test is WRC2 Sweden.
- Henrik Pietarinen, ???? (FIN) - 2019: Did his first R5 event in Arctic rally last weekend, good but nothing special - lots of room to improve.
- Chris Ingram, 1994 (ENG) - Hasn't announced any plans for 2019? hopefully there is something.
- Adrian Fourmeaux, 1995 (FRA) - Didn't have any clue about this guy until Monte, but wow. Great performance and one to really follow this season.
Rally Finnskogen wasn't a championship round and no real competition for Gryazin after Larsen got turbo hose problems early on.
Shame he's not driving Rally Hadeland this weekend when everyone will be there, 15 R5's and only Kristoffersson missing really
17-year-old Oliver Solberg won the 3rd round of 2019 European Rally Championship, Rally Liepaja in Latvia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJOOpLEKuYM
Final results:
https://rally-base.com/2019/rally-li...63&ssGroupId=1
'Hollywood' has a new star...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7gjS3IXYAAEEtj.jpg:large
Also the world stage of rallying...
Colin Clark joined by @davidevansrally and @nikolay_gryazin to discuss emerging talent in the world of rallying.
Youtube
https://t.co/UAYDSbLn0F
https://t.co/nL3Vr1z4TR
I thought it was a nice new direction for the Kitchen Table. Gryazin seems like a likeable chap, very down to earth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
wowwww, what a surprise they picked Greensmith for the one seat.
definitely didnt expect that.
Gus did well, but it's still too early to tell. The only thing I learned from watching Gus is Kalle should be a lot better in WRC than him.
Yes, that was quite biased by them.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
I think it was Sarcasm from EstWRC.. Colin and Evans are British biased. They also all of a sudden have a big hard-on for Ogier after his stint at M-Sport. I'm sure if Neuville drove for M-Sport he would be the god of Rally.... We need some Journos from other countries to be involved...
exactly, he did much better than i personally expected, but like you said, its too early to tell, he hasnt been convincing in WRC2 for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by racerx1979
and yes, that was a sarcasm and again i agree with you racerx1979, we need journos from other countries.
Greensmith did pretty well on debut after just having one day testing since his last drive of the WRC Fiesta at the end of 2018.
And it was interesting to hear how brave he was - that's never a bad thing.
Gryazin's history was also quite a surprise, how he didnt like rally and the car revs after a family car accident. He's certainly put that behind him now !
We could really do with seeing Rovanpera in a Yaris WRC before the end of the year and see how he does.
Most likely he would do fine, but why rush things? Btw, has MSport confirmed the suspension or steering break on Greensmith crash?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Well they had Gryazin on the show, not a Brit.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigWorm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
Very OT. Change thread... ;)
Is it? Greensmith debut on a WRC car was vastly mentioned on this thread (as on Clark KT); asking for MSport explanation of his crash makes total sense, once many people still don’t know it wasn’t a driver mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
He did just talk it away by saying the landing gear didn't deploy on Absolute Rally so i guess he's been told to keep a tight lip and that it just broke by itself
First quote in this thread:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
"Know of any youngsters on the verge of breaking through?
Local drivers with potential that you want others to know about?
Which talents do we believe have what it takes to advance on the international scale?"
And yes, GG still belongs to thread, but no, his car doesn´t. And happening at "your" rally doesn´t count either... :) :)
Nikolay is a really great young guy. Very humble, incredibly modest and very 'western' in his attitude. Not at all like the 'cold' Russian stererotype some may imagine.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigWorm
Time for an update? :)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Entertainer
- Kalle Rovanperä,born 2000 (FIN) - 2019 WRC2Pro Champion - 2020 WRC Toyota
- Gus Greensmith, 1996 (ENG) - 2020 WRC M-Sport (partial season)
- Pierre-Louis Loubet, 1997 (FRA) - 2019 WRC2 Champion - 2020 WRC Hyundai customer team (partial season)
- Nikolay Gryazin, 1997 (RUS) - 2020 WRC2 Hyundai
- Adrian Fourmaux, 1995 (FRA) - 2018 French Junior Champion - 2020: WRC2 M-Sport
- Oliver Solberg, 2001 (NOR) - 2020 WRC3, ERC
- Jari Huttunen, 1994 (FIN) - 2020 WRC3, Polish championship
- Jan Solans, 1997 (SPA) - 2019 JWRC champion - 2020 WRC3
- Emil Lindholm, 1996 (FIN) - 2020 ERC, Finnish championship
- Martin Sesks, 1999 (LAT) - 2018 ERCU27-champion - 2020 JWRC
- Tom Kristensson, 1991 (SWE) - 2018 ERCU27-runner up - 2020 JWRC
- Sami Pajari, 2001 (FIN) - 2020 JWRC
- Ken Torn, 1993 (EST) - 2020 ERC with Rally4 car
- Eerik Pietarinen, 1993 (FIN) - 2020 selected rounds in Rally2 car in Finland and neighboring countries
- Emil Bergkvist, 1994 (SWE) - 2018 JWRC champion - 2020 only Rally Sweden Lockdown
- Dennis Rådström, 1995 (SWE) - 2018 JWRC runner up - 2020 selected rounds in Rally4 car
- Chris Ingram, 1994 (ENG) - 2019 ERC champion - 2020 no starts
- Henrik Pietarinen, 1995 (FIN) - 2020 no starts
i think you can add Robert Virves there from Estonia as potential talent
I didn't want to open new thread so I decided to look for last one specifically talking about prospects.
If I am not mistaken, last rally winner that wasn't Kalle Rovanpera and wasn't 30+ years old was... Thierry Neuville. It was Sardegna 2018. 6 years ago.
Now WRC elite is wonderkid Kalle and bunch of 35-41 years old drivers: Ogier, Tanak, Neuville, Evans. Add Mikkelsen and Sordo and that's half of rally1 roster close to end of their careers. Soon, change of generation should be expected.
It's quite interesting but sad that drivers born in ~1990-1994 are kind of lost generation: Lappi didn't became title contender despite showing promise in his early years and drivers like Suninen, Huttunen, Lefebvre, Ingram were unable to settle in WRC1. There is also Katsuta but it's hard to believe he would still be in WRC if he didn't happen to be Japanese.
29-years old Fourmaux shows promise to have Evans-like career, with some wins in future.
So, who else could replace current group of 35+ years old drivers?
25-years old Martins Sesks after strong results in ERC and close to his debut in WRC1 is pretty strong candidate to be regular in next few years.
23-years old Oliver Solberg and Sami Pajari should be rather safe bets at this point.
Hyundai showed interest in 27-years old Emil Lindholm but he go down in hierarchy in favour of older Tanak and Mikkelsen and who knows if he gets another chance.
Greensmith and Loubet getting back to rally1 are also a possibility.
26-years old Gryazin is talented but seems to be ignored by rally1 manus. Maybe Russian nationality plays a role in it.
24-years old Josh McErlean and Erik Cais were already able to score rally1 points. It would be good to see Irish and Czech back in rally1.
Looking further is even bigger blind chance but there are some names worth observing: 19-years old Mille Johansson and Max McRae, Estonians Romet Jurgenson and 17-years old Jaspar Vaher. Neuville's younger brother, 20-years old Tom Heindrichs could benefit from his mentorship.
Latvian Junior championship has group of teenagers from whole Europe, early start can play dividends in future: Thomas Martens from Belgium, Karl Peder Nordstrand from Norway, Italians Giovanni Trentin and Valentino Ledda, plus 15-years old Isak Hatanmaa from Finland.
From my country, 18-years old Hubert Laskowski looks like our best prospect.
Do you know some other promising drivers that you expect to see in rally1 one day?
I see only Gryazin, Solberg as the only drivers to step up soon into the field. If the number of spots will remain the same for '25 and '26. Then there will be the same as it is now. We will see what 2027 brings. If stellantis will step up then Gryzin have a strong chance. Just my opinion.
Jaspar Vaher from Estonia
https://dirtfish.com/rally/meet-rall...est-wonderkid/
I really hope Tänak or someone takes this kid under their wing
Better chance than Rossel?Quote:
Originally Posted by deephouse
There are a couple of younger drivers now getting a chance in the top cars after a few years of none due to costs and only being 3 WRC Teams. Hopefully Sesks and Pajari can show real potential and genuinely look like future champions.
TBH the 'lost generation' had some chances but none of them could make the jump to fight with the established elite. Katsuta and Lappi are the lucky ones to get more chances but neither looks like the real deal on all surfaces.
https://www.instagram.com/p/C9F3N6ROf1-/Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Outside of Pajari and Max McRae, I don't see anyone of those having a shot at becoming a Rally1 regular as things stand. Maybe Rossel can do it and it's possible Oliver works something out with Toyota and Monster as a 4th car. But, that's about it.