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Don't rely on lake option too much. There are a thousand lakes in deed but it's difficult access to them because of two reasons - 1)private property; 2) in most cases shores are very swampy.Quote:
Originally Posted by JUF
But still you can find public swimming places around Jämsä (at least we managed it). Two of them:
https://www.google.lv/maps/@61.87036.../data=!3m1!1e3
https://www.google.lv/maps/@61.99517.../data=!3m1!1e3
what about ABC stops? Many of them have showers available, how much does it costs?
Those are for Truckers, but you can always ask.Quote:
Originally Posted by hannes36
Särkijärvi in Jämsä is a good place too to go for a swim. Easy to park and they have sort of dressing rooms outdoors. They have a sauna too, but I'm not sure whether it's open on summer time.Quote:
Originally Posted by sindroms
https://www.google.com/maps/place/J%...3!4d25.1802073
If you see a road sign "Uimaranta" that means a public place to go for a swim, beach. They are not for camping, but you can go for a swim.
This page has all public beaches in Jämsä area http://www.jamsa.fi/en/tourism/activ...imming-beachesQuote:
Originally Posted by Hartusvuori
Supplementary Regulations:
Story part:
https://www.nesterallyfinland.fi/en/...blished-1-1-1/
Document:
http://www.nesterallyfinland.fi/site...regs_final.pdf
Cheaper entry for privateers closes 1.June
All entries closes 25.June
Draft entrylist Friday 29.June
and in near future AnttiL will tell more about that 350m of Tarmac part of Ruuhimäki (Powerstage)
https://www.instagram.com/p/BjZjoy8F...y=rallyfinland
Video from the ending of Ruuhimäki, which will be also the ending of the whole rally, a true flying finish. Hmm, that jump looks familiar...
Looks quite tame...Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
like any other artificial jumpQuote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Ruuhimäki´s course will not be the same as last year's shakedown ?
It contains all of last year's shakedown but is longer from both ends.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luis Pacheco
Entry for support rally VETOMIES is open.
40 first entries are in for sure and after that organisation can choose who is accepted. Total 70 crews will be taken.
Link to entries:
https://akk.autourheilu.fi/Public/Ki...id=7682&edit=0
Press "Osallistujat" in top for those names.
More about Ruuhimäki and its history on my blog: https://itgetsfasternow.wordpress.co...cy-sandcastle/
This is a 4 points part of a Masters degree in WRC rallying. All you need to know about Ruuhimäki stage. Very good!Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Hyundai have entered four cars to Rally Finland, including Sordo, whose initial program didn't include it.
Didn´t he quote, he doesn´t like NRF? However, he has to do what the bosses say. Very nice, indeed to see him this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hartusvuori
Weird, since Sordo dislikes the rallyQuote:
Originally Posted by Hartusvuori
That's very odd indeed. Sordo won't be eligible for manu points and it's quite hard to see how he would block any points from Neuville's title rivals.
I believe this is part of their tactics to keep Ogier behind as much as possible Hyundai's. Or at least for being better there for the future?
that.After so many years are desperate for one title.Quote:
Originally Posted by ESTR
Conspiracy theory:
They enter "Sordo" and then change him for someone else.... like Meeke ;)
Doesn't make much sense for me to let Sordo start. He never liked the rally and never did well there.. and Hyundai was really bad there last year.
Toyota brings new engine to Finland and M-Sport new aero, Hyundai will bring Sordo
If anyone need them rally maps, kml available for download. :p
Google Maps
Support event has 45 entries now.Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
RallyFinland has released first ones, 15 crews.
http://www.nesterallyfinland.fi/site...anta050618.pdf
Sordo has gone away since yesterday...
Hyundai confirmed that Sordo wont participate in Finland so that's that.
Skruvat seems to be a partner of the rally, maybe Henning would make another one-off?
More footage from Ruuhimäki ending at 4:40 https://areena.yle.fi/1-4454374?autoplay=true
EDIT: Also worth mentioning it is a part of a larger motorsport arena built in the area, not just a jump built for the sake of the stage.
And the name of the reader of news is: Mikko Hirvonen!! :) :)Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Not THE Mikko, but still...
I mean, is that abomination really necessary when Finland is scattered of beautiful natural jumps? We have yet the Harju stage for the average Joes. Nowadays, too many rally organisers seem to lack of self-respect. Not to mention that more than often they are the same that want you to pay a ticket... so no excuses.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
They should ask rally Monte Carlo organisers how things should be done... no SSS, long event, night stages, tradition. And they are not even asking for money!!!!!
Few more entries, total 19 now. 5 x Toyota :)
http://www.nesterallyfinland.fi/site...anta060618.pdf
Support rally VETOMIES has 50 entries now.
It's just something for the big crowds at the end of the power stage, and also to put the finish of the rally at a place near a suitable place for podium celebrations. Also, it's a part of a bigger motorsport arena that will be used for other things as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanremo
I don't know how Monte Carlo is funded but I would guess the average member of ACM drives a Ferrari more likely than a member of AKK.
But only because roads around Monte Carlo are more suitable for Ferrari than roads in Finland ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
I’m aware of what you are writing about. That’s the reason why I said that. This ever growing circus mentality is making a mess of this sport (especially when it comes down to chicanes that are now deciding fights). I’m not against SSS, especially when they are well thought like the Harju street stage (even though I’m still waiting for a concrete evidence of the SSS new rally fans luring potential), but I think there should be a limit to the number of SSS (2 or 3 of them would be enough) and to what the organisers can do to attract these “big crowds”. I would limit these artificial elements to the street stages, living the proper stages untouched. That would be an acceptable trade off. The money they get from tickets should be poured as much as possible into the event to make it even bigger. Let’s have more kms for example. This year rally Finland route consists of 317 kms vs the 360 of 2014. We are paying more and more without any substantial improvement. And for what it concerns the Ruuhimaki stage, I’m fine as it was in 2014. Actually it was perfect for a PS. It was able to convey what this sport is all about. No need to transform into the XGames.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
I’m not even against paying a ticket for the sake of the sport, but for the average Joe 75€ (not to count his family) could be a deterrent. I don’t know you but I’m not interested in spending 60-70€ to spectate at a football match, even though I live near a football stadium and occasionally I watch soccer on tv. It’s just that I’m not really interested in that sport to justify it. Not to say that the majority of rally fans don’t move between the stage so you are left with 3 stages repeated twice during the all weekend.
Well, actually Harju has a number of similar chicanes which could be touched, causing penalties. Ruuhimäki or any other forest stage won't have any artificial chicanes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanremo
Does this have something to do with the rules FIA presents? In 2014 they did forest stages already on Thursday, now it's not allowed anymore (except MC can do whatever they want)Quote:
This year rally Finland route consists of 317 kms vs the 360 of 2014.
Maybe they want to divide the people around the stage, instead of everyone packing into the five jumps at the end?Quote:
And for what it concerns the Ruuhimaki stage, I’m fine as it was in 2014. Actually it was perfect for a PS. It was able to convey what this sport is all about. No need to transform into the XGames.
The Average Joe would probably just buy a 20€ single ticket, right?Quote:
I’m not even against paying a ticket for the sake of the sport, but for the average Joe 75€ (not to count his family) could be a deterrent.
Super specials have always been a part of rally. Harju was driven already in the 60's. And before that they had these skill tests where you had to brake before a line or weave around cones.
Still, I agree that two super specials is a good number for a WRC rally of the current length, not like Mexico with eigth of them.
I think the whole circus thing and the VIP's etc. are just a way to secure the financial side and continuity of the rally. Us hardcore fans can just go into the forest through our own paths outside official spectating points and forget about the rest.
When I said that I like the Harju street stage, I was meaning that it is not a trailer park stage (like last year Thursday Germay SSS or Mexico City one). I would dare to say that stage is how close as we can get to a proper stage when it comes to SSS. That’s all what I like of it and wanted to say. My judgement was not implying any reference to the presence of chicanes. I should have been more specific.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
I’m not aware of any rule forbidding to tackle any proper stage on Thursday. My bad. I know that Rally Monte Carlo benefits from a special status, but it would be quite weird from their side to disregard FIA explicit rules on the matter. Given that I’m not an expert like you on Finnish stages, I guess that it’s not strictly necessarily to add Thursday stages to have 40 kms more when you can have slightly longer SS. Just few kms here and there per stage.
For what it concerns the artificial jump at the end, I really hope that your assumption is right. If that’s been done on safety grounds I’m fine with it, but I still think others are the reasons behind this move as you pointed out in the last part of your post.
Maybe they should sell promotional discounted tickets at SSS. I don’t know. Nowadays, there are so many people out there not even willing to pay 8€ for a cinema ticket that I’m wondering how would be possible for SSS occasional spectators to spend 300€ (in my case: 4 people). It would be more suitable for them to buy stage by stage tickets to start with (It seems I can’t find them on rally Finland website. Maybe you can help me out with that. If they exist, the problem is solved).
At least we agree on the maximum amount of SSS.
Maybe, I should have put this in a more simple way right from the beginning: as a long term rally fan I can’t simply turn my back like that and I would prefer to see all these artificial stuff and non-rally elements restricted to SSS as much as possible, leaving the proper stages untouched. Still I recognise that modern rallying is a compromise and money talks. I know you understand the feelings of hardcore fans at that sight, even though it is just one jump over the entire course of the rally. Still I agree it is not that big a deal by now.
So no reason to argue. You still have the best rally in the world ;) I was just expressing my personal preferences:angel:.
Each loop between two services can have 80 km of stages long at maximum. Meanwhile, adding more service park visits to a day would push the schedule and tyre amount limit. So it's not that easy to make it longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanremo
For sure there's nothing concerning safety with the Ruuhimäki artificial jump. The stage will have 9 junction turns over 11 kms, and half of the roads are narrow and tricky, so there's no reason to jump for reducing average speed. Instead, the jump is preceded by a 400m straight acceleration.Quote:
For what it concerns the artificial jump at the end, I really hope that your assumption is right. If that’s been done on safety grounds I’m fine with it, but I still think others are the reasons behind this move as you pointed out in the last part of your post.
An interesting story about the only other artificial jump in Finland, the "Tommi's Jump" in Kakaristo: it was supposedly built by a farmer whose house is on the outside of a corner. He got tired of having to repaint his house every year so he built a new bit of road on his field going a bit further form his house, with that jump added.
For sure there is stage by stage tickets, if I remember correctly, they cost 20 euros.Quote:
I’m wondering how would be possible for SSS occasional spectators to spend 300€ (in my case: 4 people). It would be more suitable for them to buy stage by stage tickets to start with (It seems I can’t find them on rally Finland website. Maybe you can help me out with that. If they exist, the problem is solved).
Thumbs up, good discussion anyway :)Quote:
Still I agree it is not that big a deal by now.
So no reason to argue. You still have the best rally in the world ;) I was just expressing my personal preferences:angel:.
https://itgetsfasternow.wordpress.co...-finland-2018/
MEGA route preview
Seb Marshall criticizes artificial jumps but gives thumbs up for the Ruuhimäki end jump https://twitter.com/sebmarshall/stat...03226707091456
VETOMIES has 72 entries now, even some leading competitors from Finland national championship.
WRC event has only 1 new entrant: Pierre-Louis Loubet, i20 R5 (total 20 now)Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
79 for VETOMIES now.Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
Mattias Monelius SWE Fabia R5 and Sanjay Takale IND Fiesta R2 are new entries for WRC event. (Total 22 crews now)
http://www.nesterallyfinland.fi/site...anta180618.pdf
When Gill makes his entry we will have 2 Indian drivers and I don´t remember that this has happened before.