If you have driven a car and/or know something about physics then you should also know, where the car is being pulled in these kind of situations. Now compare it to where they were standing.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
If you have driven a car and/or know something about physics then you should also know, where the car is being pulled in these kind of situations. Now compare it to where they were standing.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
totally same,he was showing off next to a marshall.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
I honestly believe Ogier doing donuts on the high street in Llandudno at the end of Rally GB, like in situation A, is far more dangerous than what Ott did here. Yet he's done that in full sight of all the rally officials and Police (road still subject to Road Traffic Act) multiple years and nobody seems to be concerned about punishing him for the blatant risk taken, showing off...Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Oh come on with your message sending. What about those 170kmh-in-public guys then? Life in prison? Perhaps execution? That would definately send message. With this kind of over the top attitude you are not delivering any message. You only create conflict. And this is probably worse to the sport than if this harmless fun goes entirely unpunished.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiK7
No, just a ban from competition for a certain time period and probably also driving license away by simply following the country's road traffic rules where the infringement happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by Indreq
Stupid, utterly stupid. How can we know that it wasn`t staged? Videos made by third persons and then discussed by fourth aren`t and shouldn`t be subject to any punishment. Playing police isn`t nice, it`s...
Dude says he is passionate about Motorsport and then wants its competitors to be banned
Yes, passionate about the sport. And I'd much rather ban individuals involved in the sport if it will prolong the survival of the sport itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Still utterly stupid. Passionate about THE sport ( sport in general: competition that shows who is the best, not who is the best theoretically /on paper)??? I mean, making conclusions based on an amateur video and demanding absolutely horrendous punishments to a pilot and team capable of making the series much much more interesting. Like said, reminds N.- Korea.
Try fishing, it`s good to calm oneself (personal experience), winter should also be nice there, also great fun.
E: I believe that driving schools in this region school their pupils to drive safely on winter roads and say that going a bit sideways is nothing to be afraid of.
This is just ridiculous. He drifted a car in a corner where spectators were filming. He was not even speeding! Are you sure you're a rally fan?Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiK7
I was responding to the 170kph on public roads example with that. In Tänak's case I would take his points away still at the very least for bringing the sport into disrepute and to make a future example out of this case.Quote:
Originally Posted by RM98
For those who think the driving behaviour was reasonable, would your answer be the same if:
* It was some less skilled competitor like Bertelli driving instead of Tanak?
* It was some munter driving a Skyline on steelies, cut springs and a fart-can exhaust instead of Tanak?
To Joe Public who don't like cars and hate motorsport they will see it the same way regardless of who is driving.
if if if........
My God, what the hell is this world coming to!?
He did absolutely nothing!
Just trying to determine whether people are taking a position because of who was doing the driving vs what the driver was doing. To a non-motorsport person who saw this it would make no difference and they are the ones who make life hard for event organisers (like myself) who suddenly can't run events because these non-motorsport people complain and stop councils/property owners from giving us roads to use.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
And for the record I think it was a nice, controlled piece of driving that was enjoyable to watch. But I can't condone it on a public road.
Where were your "voice of reason" up until now...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asQ8xsF3Yzc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT8pg0xEQ4I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADO5n8LqePU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcqmzSGLx-M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAtfq4z3vx0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaswEGOF7ok
Me? I've never been called a "voice of reason" before, usually quite the opposite... Busy working to pay a mortgage, spending time with family and organising motorsport events (and occasionally being allowed out to compete myself) rather than spending time going out of my way on Youtube looking for examples of poor competitor driving to call out. And for the record I'd personally say all of those examples (except perhaps Kubica) are dangerous and shouldn't be condoned as being acceptable on a public road.
Wait for it.... For not speeding :D It's crazy world we are livin' in LMAOQuote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
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It is. Here in NZ if the Police saw this he would lose his licence on the spot for "sustained loss of traction" under laws introduced to combat boy racers.Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
So everything is allowed as long as you don't speed?Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
Then i suggest you drive to the nearest police station and do some donuts in the street and let us know the outcome ;)
NO! - It wasn't addressed to you sir.Quote:
Originally Posted by CahunaKiwi
This loss of traction law is kinda hard to enforce on ice. Although i am sure that Tänak did it on purpose to ertentain fans, some other less skilled driver could have done it also involuntary - all those boy racers included. So in winter times you just go around and take everybodys licenses away? I know that there is probably some other law that forbids such driving also in Monte, but i am also sure that in winter times police is way more forgiving on this. As i said in previous post - i am in northern Sweden right now and i see some tail-wagging from other drivers several times a day, every day. After all that, i agree that these days everything can be shared in internet in the argument against the rally too and this might also be used for bad PR against rally. But then there are countless other things that can be used - for example damaged trees roadside where somebody drove off, and that cant be just patched. Or photos of damaged gravel roads before they are repaired, or litter left behind by fans etc etc. If someone is looking for ammo to fight against rally, they find it anyway. This incident is by far not juicy enough to warrant much attention, much less such excessive punishments as were called.Quote:
Originally Posted by CahunaKiwi
I'm stunned to read so many absurd comments who don't think there was something wrong with what Tänak did in that video. It's a public road and such driving would get everyone of us the licence suspended, without any doubts.
Anyone who thinks it was safe, just because he's a rally driver, doesn't understand anything about the dangers on the streets.
Anyone who thinks being a rally fan means giving a free pass to rally drivers is just crazy.
I'm shocked, not only by Tänak's reckless driving, but also every other driver in the videos posted on page 10.
Should they be suspended for a rally? My answer is YES, but only if the drivers drive against the law a second time.
Let's have more time to get from a Stage to another, but let's be much harsher with the penalties, should the drivers not behave.
Oh, one more thing: I love rallying, but I want to remind all of you fan boys, that rallying happens on the Stages, not on the public roads...
Did you really filled 11 pages for this?
Ott should be banned for Sweden. It was so stupid and wrong. You can't do that on public road. It's not rally stage, it has nothing to do with rallying. Stupid Ott, very stupid.
I think in most of countries he will loose the licence for smaller "issues" than this. What he did in this place is absolutely nonsense, it is making bad promotion for rallysport. I am sure if this should be reported to stewards, he will give him big penalty (time or cash). And I will agree with them.
You do realise your post also adds to these pages?Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
I think it has created a really interesting and well structured debate.
Not yet, but my post will do.Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
On a rally where hundreds of people form a wall of death on the outside of a slippery 6th gear corner, people are morally outraged by Ott relatively slowly passing a couple of fans on the road section with a bit of opposite lock on.
Don't worry, I'm sure he won't have any fun for fans again.
It's kind of funny that of all the shenanigans and highly dubious practices that have occurred on road sections over the years, this non-event is the one that got people outraged!
Very hard to do some donuts with modern cars. And yes, I haven't heard that somebody has got a ticket for making a donut in a parking lotQuote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
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Not gonna happen in our countryQuote:
Originally Posted by CahunaKiwi
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Must be a slow news week>> Or an awful ot of the men here have become girly-men>
Wot fa fuq is wrong with everybody? Couldn't anybody see? So goddam mild and people are actually "outraged">>
Tell you all what: You should be more outraged at what the incompetent fool that was orange with some dead animal on his head in Washinton DC is doing to the intra-governmental institutions that much of the civilised world has worked hard to build. Or stupid protectionist duties that can develop into trade war..
This is a chuckle.
I personally don't have a problem with this driving. As said here, I've seen worse on road section.
But problem with this is that it just fuels the discussion for anti rally people. There was a TV debate prior to Monte Carlo Rally with a group that is against the Rally. One of their arguments was road safety.
So behavior like this, that is filmed, is just bad for the public opinion. You can't deny that.
So I think some penalty should be applied. Not a ban, but a fine or maybe a time penalty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtsMe_X35XI
Let`s go back and take away his titles. Should be sufficient punishment and on the plus side no-one would want to participate anymore...much easier than handing out 19 min punishments for light batteries and bans for some fan-made clips of a situation no-one actually saw close. Motorsport and internal combustion engines pollute the air and disturb the nature. Let`s ban them. Freedom of movement is overrated too, look what can happen and has happened.
Nobody's opinion is going to change by seeing tanak. The fans like it and will remain fans, and the anti people will always be against rally, no matter what.Quote:
Originally Posted by dupanton
The only thing we should do is stop giving attention to any kind of anti-person. For every activity a human can do, there is always somenone who doesn't like it, there doesn't even has to be a reason for it. Some people just like to complain and take pleasure in taking others away.
It is everyone's right to complain, but it is also everyone's right not to pay attention to it.
So just because the world has far more serious issues than Ott Tänak showing off with his Yaris in the French alps, we shouldn't be discussing about it on a forum dedicated to rallying and we should talk about the US politics on here instead? And I'd prefer if everyone left out all the silly sexist comments as well from the discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
Special stages are for fast rally driving and also for showboating for the fans, if you want to do that kind of stuff. You can make big slides all you want or make extra big jumps for the fans all you want on the special stages. Remember Panizzi doing a 360 donut in the middle of a stage on his way to winning Rally Catalunya? But liaison sections are for driving according to the road traffic rules. As simple and clear as that. None of that bullshit what Tänak gives us on the video. If the special stages are not enough for him, then it's time for him to hand in his competition license. For the past few years FIA has being campaigning very heavily on road traffic safety and turning a blind eye to this kind of behavior would be hypocritical in my opinion, as well as damaging for the sport in the long run.
If you are a rally fan standing there when Ott does this, it can be fun to watch for a moment until you realise the repercussions it can have for the whole sport. And even if you are a rally fan and you were driving to opposite direction and coming across Tänak like this, you wouldn't be pleased. Driving a liaison section on a narrow road to an opposite direction of a convoy of WRC competitors coming the other way, is not a fun experience, no matter how big of a fan you are or how passionate you are, I can tell you. So if I as a rally fan am worked up about someone doing that, then what is someone who doesn't care about rallying at all going to think about when coming across this type of antics and showmanship on a public road? All sponsored by Toyota and Microsoft. Not exactly the best publicity for the sport, to say the least. And that is the main issue here.
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiK7
Couldn't agree more.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiK7