1 Meeke will win the WDC on rally gb
2 Tanak will win 2 Rallies
3 Ogier will crash out on 3 Rallies
4 Latvala will be on the podium 3 times (win)
5 Citroen will win manufacturers championship
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1 Meeke will win the WDC on rally gb
2 Tanak will win 2 Rallies
3 Ogier will crash out on 3 Rallies
4 Latvala will be on the podium 3 times (win)
5 Citroen will win manufacturers championship
1. The battle for the WDC is centered between Ogier, Meeke and Neuville, until the end of the championship is defined
2. The start of Mexico Rally (In CDMX, 400 km far away from HQ) is spectacular but the Rally Director says he will not repeat it again (as well as the 80km stage) (FAIL - was a waste of time!!!)
3. Crashvala will do it 3 times in a row
4. Sordo will not win either in Spain and decide to retire at the end of the championship
5. None of my predictions will be correct but first
1. Ford will not win the title, again.
2. Ogier will not dominate this time.
3. Toyota will do better than Citroen.
4. It looks good for Hyundai.
However, I have no clue who is going to win Sweden (foggy crystal ball).
Well, yes, that's obvious.....You probably mean M-Sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by jparker
Yes, that's correct. I'll go little further as MW being more obvious. Anyway, we all got the point.
1 - C3 is the fastest car and allows Meeke to win the championship, in front of Ogier and Neuville, Paddon not far
2 - Hyundai wins manufacturer title because Breen and Lefebvre don't bring enough points to Citroen
3 - Fiesta is not as fast/reliable as C3 and i20, but Ogier fights for the title nontheless
4 - Toyota manages to get a couple of podiums, one in Finland
5 - Henning and Sordo will retire from the WRC at the end of the season
1. During 2017 it will be announced that Rally NZ is returning to the WRC in 2018
2. Hyundai will win the World Manufacturers Championship
3. The WRC Drivers Championship will not be decided until the final round of the championship
4. Ogier will not win the Drivers Championship
5. That all manufacturers will win a minimum of one round of the championship (WIN)
6. That the Hyundai drivers will work together as a team until the Manufacturers Championship has been decided before chasing their own individual target of securing the Drivers Championship
Finland because you obviously are deluded about Team Finland Gazoo racings chances...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jewy46
Or maybe a deluded Irishman?
Maybe half frenchman as well. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Grundo Farb
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Originally Posted by Grundo Farb
One of you is right, I'm an Irishman of course. I thought I made it quite obvious with my "delusional" predictions! :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
On a serious note I think Toyota's podiums will be handed to them by others mistakes rather than the speed of the car. I have a feeling the car will be fairly reliable but not that quick (at the start anyway)
Yes I'm patriotic in thinking Meeke could win the World Championship but I think the C3 could end up being superior to the rest throughout the year and having followed his career I know Meeke is capable of winning most rallies (once he stays on the road).
The C3 is also the reason I think Breen could win a rally as he takes a more calculated approach than most but when he pushes he is fast.
But Henning isn't actually participating in WRC (I mean full time) :)Quote:
Originally Posted by focus206
A few predictors already have 1 fail after Monte (edited to show on their entry) but a number of predictions did come true.
Meeke fan, Electoliquid and SMS Grafica all predicted a Toyota podium in 2017, SMS being specific about the Monte
amilk said Ogier would win Monte but Negaiss was more accurate in saying it would be by 2 mins (2.15 was the actual)
Cosmin had Mikkelsen in the top 8 at RMC, while Bigworm correctly predicted Breen to be the best placed Citroen driver on the opening round.
Sadly Ctesibios' prediction of a major spectator accident came to pass and tommeke-b is already proven to be accurate in his prediction that there would be cancelled stages due to spectator control issues
Lastly (and how this was foreseeable I just can't understand!) Grundo Farb identified that NOT would say something obnoxious. However that only counts as 1 correct, regardless of the number of repetitions!
Sweden will throw up some more correct predictions if Toyota get a podium but more are in line to be incorrect than will be right!
Becksy still doesn't look to be shedding any spare padding but maybe I'll be proven right when she starts jogging in the Summer!
So far my #1 predict is correct. And Iīm glad to it. ;) See #9
Now Per will be hoping that Toyota fail for the rest of the year as he said that would be their only win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
EST WRC was correct that Latvala would take a win with help from others (have to say he should be sending Thierry a big bowl of fruit). Cosmin also predicted a 2017 Toyota rally win. Toyoda was half right that Toyota would get a podium in Sweden but have problems with things breaking (not so far...).
Donkey ears for me; "Toyota won't win a rally in 2017. Gregor-y; "Toyota form doesn't translate into wins. Tomhlord; "Tanak wins in Sweden". Negaiss; "Latvala wins just won't come"..and best of all Ivar; "Sweden will be cancelled because of lack of snow and ice". Slightly wrong was Ctesibos in saying Haninen would be first Toyota rally winner.
Finally the absolute end of the VW saga has made Pantealex, RS. Grutz and Zeakiwi all join the WRONG group for their various Mikkelsen and/or Ogier in a 2017 VW predictions.
Mexico next where if there are Ogier and Latvala crashes a number of predictors will be vindicated!
This is what I said:
5) Mikkelsen will start with VW this year several times.
You canīt say after Sweden that I got it wrong ;)
(There is 2016 Polo which he can start with)
Very well I will not count that as a fail yet :) however the moment all 2016 Polos are reported as being crushed ( like in Pulp Fiction) I shall act in a childish 'I was right' manner!Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
4 different winners in opening 4 rounds. Surely lots of crystal balls will have predicted that.
Ha ha - nothing like self-promotion!! Yes KiwiWRCfan successfully predicted 4 different winners in the opening 4 rounds!! Not a perfect prediction though as he added- "Going into Rally Argentina we have a fourth different leader of drivers points table"Quote:
Originally Posted by KiwiWRCfan
Only 2 different leaders thus far.
Mk2RS2000 also has been proven correct with the 'All manufacturers will win a minimum of one round'.
Eigth Gear should count themselves as very wrong in saying 'Hanninen impresses' - well maybe the odd rock and tree!
Also WOTM was Meekefan who said the 'Citroen will be unbeatable on asphalt'
Best accurate prediction from France goes to Zeakiwi who said Ogier 'spends a lot of time with his head under the Fiesta bonnet'!!
Ok - time for a predictions update as Portugal and the subsequent events has wrecked some of the predicted outcomes but brought others to reality!
RP and Toyoda have got Andreas Mikkelsen joining Citroen correct. Toyoda correctly saying he'd replace Lefevbre. RP isn't 100% accurate as AM isn't yet the '2nd car'. Monte 66 was correct that AM would be in a WRC1 car in 2017. However because AM is back AFTER Portugal smsgrafica, BigWorm, Duval and Rallyper's predictions are dead in the water. 2017 Polo appearing is as good as gone but I suppose - can't close that until the Oz entry list is published.
Grundo Farb's Desborough exceeding 300 'Man from Dungannon' prediction has gone platinum!
At halfway through the season Tanak, Evans and Paddon have still to get a win (let alone 3) Meeke just has the 1 win but could get 2 more to bring some selections home. Hanninen is yet to impress or cause JML to feel frustrated.
However the biggest number of failing predictions (wishful thinking?) concern the champ.
He hasn't fallen out with M-Sport
He has no crashes, DNFs, mechanical retirements to date
Appears just as quick as ever
Seems to be improving the Fiesta...
And doesn't seem too concerned about road position (comments are not 'complaints'!)
You are twisting the facts a little bit, and is too early to sum things up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
Ogier is far from what he was with VW.
Neuville's prediction that Ogier may not be as competitive as in the past still stands true for now. Yes, Ford are making progress, but the game is still on.
Care to say exactly which fact you think I've twisted?Quote:
Originally Posted by jparker
Mr Neuville's use of English is a little imprecise.
Being 'competitive' means to be able to compete against the opposition with some expectation of success. So far Ogier has as many wins as Neuville in a car he wasn't testing all last year.
While he isn't as dominant as he was in 'his' Polo he is certainly competing well enough to lead the Championship having just given everyone else a lesson (in consistency and /or gravel speed).
Mr. Neuville's prediction was that Ogier will not be dominant this year, and may be difficult for him to win the title again. This is exactly right at this point in time, and prediction still stands.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
Surprisingly, you are admitting the same thing, except that you believe Ogier already won the title.
Edit: About what facts you are twisting, this one "Appears just as quick as ever".
I doubt any other driver in a Fiesta would have scored top 4 in every round, certainly not scoring 2 wins. If you doubt that Ogier can beat anyone at the moment in equal machinery then you don't know what you are seeing when you watch a rally. It's a huge shame we can't organise a wager on this as I have a 100 quid that says Ogier will be champ this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by jparker
Bottom line - he is able to out perform Tanak in identical machinery because he has 10% in reserve and Tanak is alway on or over the limit. Portugal showed the same for everyone else.
how much reserve Ogier had in Sweden and Argentina then? 50%? more?
Yep, Ogier did a remarkable job managing to be the series leader, despite starting the season in a totally new team and car. Now that he has the car fitted for him and he feels more at ease inside the team, it'll be hard for competitors to avoid his 5th WRC title...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
I don't disagree with your words above, but obviously you don't understand what I'm trying to tell you. Anyway, doesn't really matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
No, but enough to manage his championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Yes, Neuville mentioned that he had no answer to Ogier's speed on the deep gravel in Portugl, and probably that's the way in Sardinia will be, but after that things may turn in different direction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
Again with the percentages and on and over the limit talk. Most of the time drivers themselves don`t know but online-racers know the truth.:D
When in a good position, all of them tend to say that there`s room but they take it safe...or when make a massive time, they say they thought they were slow, can go faster and also when someone is not doing so great they are surprised, how this is possible. Mind games yes, but still...not so simple. When watching onboards and other videos you can see quite big mistakes from everyone in the front. Some have luck, some don`t but this is top-level rallying.
What do we call identical...each driver can have his own setup and has to use those details in different linked events. The difference can be quite big...
Ok guys - enough of the 'how much is Ogier's mental game stillaffecting the opposition' debate - this is the crystal balls thread wheras Ogier's are couilles d'acien. If someone would like to take this up as a new thread, be my guest. One last parting shot. Does anyone think that if there was a Polo 17 team that the WRC leader would be any different?
Nope, he might have even shown us a stronger, healthier lead in the championship, perhaps with more wins, or maybe it would have been an all VW fight with podium lock outs, perhaps besides the times Jari wouldn't be able to finish a rally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
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This. Besides Neuville would have become frustrated and made more mistakes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
Just an update on successes and fails after the last 2 rallies:
Tomhlord, GeoFerg_Sco and Jewy46 have one way or another said Toyota would get 3 podia (correct plural of podium) this year.
Sollitt is pretty much confirmed in the opinion that 'Ogier will be competitive but not dominant'
Electroliquid, Ivar, AL14, Est and Stefan VV have all been proved right with Tanak's win in Sardinia.
Dupanton is partially right in that Tanak became the 5th different winner but in 4 different cars, not 3.
Thousandlakes had a partial success in saying that Lappi and Suninen would surprise with stage wins in Poland, actually Lappi got his maiden stage win earlier.
Finally in the list of successes - I was proved correct when a stage was cancelled in Poland.
Fails were registered by A Fondo (African immigrant boat issues did not cause cancellation in Sardinia!!) and rp (Jarko Nikara in 4th Toyota at NRF)
Currently a number of vaguely phrased predictions need to run a little further but Ogier is certainly not fighting Meeke for WDC and Neuville does not appear to be under team pressure from Paddon.
We wait to see if NRF turns out to be the fastest average speed rally of all time and how much faster WRC17 cars are than their predecessors.
Update pre-WRGB:
Well folks it looks like two of my 5 are going to be correct come Sunday evening - Ogier champ and Australia an expensive sight-seeing trip. rp will also be pleased with the Ogier win but whether it brings the blue oval back is still doubtful.
smsgrafica has already blown all 5 with Hyundai not being manufacturer champs and Meeke as WC!!
A Fondo definitely was wrong about Fords retiring in half the events, Hyundai and (although things were shaky for a while) Hanninen being replaced. Rallyper, AI 14, Eli are all on the money with an Ogier WDC (Cmon there can't be anyone that thinks otherwise after that testing footage!).
Duvel needs one more Tanak win to have been completely right about the Estonian hero's progress. All Polo bets are now officially OFF.
Grundo Farb has only 2 rallies to see a 2016 car take a stage win - don't hold your breath! Sorry Toyoda, Neuville never managed to get inside Ogier's head - the space was all taken up with supreme confidence! EightGear has called Latvala's drop in form correctly. More tomorrow
???Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
referring this?
Latvala has been plagued by technical issues for the later half of the season, wouldn't call that "destroyed mentally"Quote:
4. Hanninen impresses and after some time equals Latvala, who becomes frustrated and gets destroyed mentally.
Sorry just being mischievous - however how do we know that the mechanical issues haven't been the car picking up on JML's mental state. Fact is I bet someone 4 years ago that JML would be WDC in 5. Looks like I have to pay up and I will NEVER forgive him ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
My 7th prediction was " Professional photographers at Rally GB compete for the "N.O.T. Award" given for best photo featuring Autumn leaf colours"
Any volunteers to act as a judge ?
Beat me to the drop! Can I suggest that forum members post links to those shots felt worthy of inclusion. I'll judge because as the linked shot shows I'm no stranger to Welsh autumn colour! Special marks awarded if sheep are included in the shot!Quote:
Originally Posted by KiwiWRCfan
https://www.flickr.com/photos/74mex/...57637889056553
Are we allowed to get our Crystal Balls out before Xmas or do need to wait until early January ?
Just put them away, you don't want your crystal balls to spend too much time out in the sun...