Actually, they have 5.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
They have a dedicated test car.
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Actually, they have 5.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
They have a dedicated test car.
The cars always fly back and forth, so there's no reason not to add a new car to the freight to Argentina...Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
MAybe they're waiting on the third car to see if there's some problems with the current 2...
http://www.ewrc-results.com/cars.php?csct=1&t=WRC
Car stats
If they said that they will have 3 cars in Portugal then it will be Portugal
What a joke a one of the best teams in the history of the WRC is looking like right now.
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Respect them for their efforts as for now for sure are massive. Wait and see.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
Hope you are being ironic after all the stick you have given them over the years !Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
its not ironic at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
given stick for other reasons,not because they don't know how to build a good car.
I was from these few people here that I said plenty of times that fiesta was a good car,when everybody was talking for ''less budget'' from manufacturers,that cause to cant build a top car.
The M-Sport 'class' EstWRC & I were talking about was their ability to produce several 2017 cars when they were the last to develop one. This is again showing their expertise as an overall operation run by Malcolm Wilson. It has nothing to do with whether their cars are good or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
One really has to wonder how seriously ( in terms of money) are they taking it. Speed and handling issues are one thing, but then there are the other things.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
Meeke crashed at the pre-monte test and destroyed the diffuser, as a result they did consequent (4?) testing days without it because they did not have an extra spare. In some article it said that they "saved" them for monte and now they don't even enter 3rd car in Mexico (even old one). Add the "interesting" choice of drivers after all 3 VW drivers.
Surely with this kind of effort they have 0 hope of fighting for manu. title and with this kind of speed/driver reliability drivers title is also close to impossible.
of course it has.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Their cars are good but that wasnt what we were talking about. It was the fact they have produced them when factory-team Citroen hasnt...Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
cant understand what do you want to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
factory citroen has 17 world championships at last 14 years. That after 2 rallies they are not at their high level prooves what?
M-Sport probably have a lot more practice churning out extra customer cars than the factory teams when you think about it, especially when some of those customers have needed cars rebuilt pretty frequently.
It's a bit of a joke that Citroen back as a full manufacturer can't have 3 cars available for the start of 2017. Nevermind after taking a whole year out to build and develop these cars.
It is a joke that they've decided to put Lefebvre in the c3 based on nationality, when it was clear even before Monte that Breen was by far the better driver currently. It's an even bigger joke that they've not learned their lesson from Monte and still have Lefebvre in the c3 for Mexico.
However it's not a joke that Breen isn't getting to go to Mexico whatsover, even in an old Ds3. That guys, is a fucking disgrace. Especially considering that Breen has very little knowledge of Mexico and could get a very decent pts haul for the drivers championship, due to the nature of the event.
This is not the same Citroen that was once the model of how to run a wrc team. Matton needs to sort it out
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Guys, tell me when did Citroen publish their plan for the year, which included how many cars they'll enter at each event.
3 cars in Corsica and from Portugal onwards. And some events a 4th car for Al Qassimi but I don't think anyone cares about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Franky
It was more to point out that all these rants about Citroen are, well, politely said late.Quote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
Portugal 4 cars
You are the one confusing people by suddenly agreeing that M-Sport are 'class' after years of slagging off Malcolm Wilson & his drivers.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Or are you jumping on the M-Sport bandwagon now they have Ogier ?
And as for Citroen, you cant deny their poor start and even worse that they dont even have 3 cars available... when a private team already has 4.
Anyway, enough off-topic.. back to Rally Mexico.
complaining about Malcolm choices not to spend money at drivers, its not ''slagging M sport'', or they are not ''class''Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Suddenly when he choosed to pay a first class driver,we see that fiesta and M sport are up to the job. That's exactly what I said million times.
I know its hard for you to understand the difference.
I don't have to have to jump at bandwagons,thats what your little brain understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
I was very clear what I have said plenty of times.
show me where I denied that they hadn't a bad start.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Sweet mother of Jesus, these ‘Citroen sucks’ fever it’s totally nuts! I really can’t get why so many rally fans are always eager to condemn some of the sport best teams and drivers. Didn’t the mega critic’s learn anything from the pre season demoralizing campaign on Toyota? Let Citroen guys do their job, eventually they’ll fix the issues and fight for victories, hopefully already in Mexico.
Btw, people also tend to forget that unlike the manu teams, MSport has to make as many cars as they can, once their main funding comes from private sells. Yep, they’ve done a fantastic job making the double of new cars than the others, but don’t they have extra manpower for it? Besides, if we see it properly, MSport WRC team it’s a 2 cars team like Toyota or Citroen; Evans is only there because a private partner, DMack, is paying for it.
Nobody say that "Citroen sucks", but they not compete full season last year due to preparations to this season. But they are not prepared, at least not good as others. So basically they lied us. If team say - we skip season but next year we'll be back strong as possible, so we expect to be it, if team feel, that they can't manage it - they should shut up, compete full 2016 season and hope for the best this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
Of course we will see how rest of the season goes for Citroen, I hope it will be all rigth.
Precisely. Remember that last time they did this in 2006/2007, the C4 was the fastest car at once.Quote:
Originally Posted by electroliquid
It's now 32 stages into the new season. Citroen has won a single stage when Lefebre was the only one with different tires, so basically 0. Either
a) Citroen have done a bad job during all their preparations.
or
b) They weren't actually trying that much (in terms of money/people).
Starts to smell a lot like b) to me. Let's hope it won't be the same story as with Subaru in 08.
What happened to Subaru in 08? I'd'nt followed the WRC between 2004-2010 pretty much.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
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Subaru stopped their WRC program, and cooperation with Prodrive ended.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve.mandzij
It's funny because Citroen's domination was probably the main reason for thar.
The main reason was that japan people from Subaru were not satisfied with Prodrive...Quote:
Originally Posted by jparker
Nope, Subaru just leave the WRC like all the other manufacturers because they didn't gain that much anymore and there was really no big point to be there anymore. Also, maybe the main point, the financial crisis played a big role in here (Suzuki stopped also).Quote:
Originally Posted by PLuto
So winning or not, they had to go sometime and this was the moment. Subaru were involved in the WRC for more than 15 years, that's a really long time compare most of the other competitors.
That's what they said - a value proposition - but for those involved, it was well-known that the Subaru / Prodrive relationship had broken down so badly, and the cost was out of proportion to what even other teams / manufacturers were paying.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacko
About Citroën, like all that bullshit-crap talk about Toyota/ Tommi Makinen (before the season), now the boys here have a new target to bash Citroën.
And for once i'm in. Not for the results so far, that's part of the game in rally but i think they had gone for three cars from MC in combination they had to pick-up a second-driver like the ones of a Ostberg, Lappi, Kubica or Evans and when Latvala and Mikkelsen (and Ogier) even became free, they had to pick-up for sure one of them.
With only Meeke now in the bag it's a big question what he can do in the top because from Levebre and Breen you can't expect normally a top three finish this season. So, that's a big missed chance and that's were it gone wrong i think for this season already.
And the decision to take Lefebvre instead of Breen (2x 5th place, best classified Citroën driver) for Mexico is really strange, really weird and that's simply wrong even Lefebvre did a okay job in Sweden.They had to choose Breen here and for Lefebvre there was again the old DS3 car (or R5 car).
And about my friend Adreas Mikkelsen: he has to be patient, he will be there again in a good car in 2018 (if not already sometimes this season in a privat-car or as a temporary replacement-driver), it will be in a Hyundai (for Sordo), Toyota (for Hanninen) or in a Citroën (as a second driver next to Meeke). @Ford i think they have with Ogier and Tanak two drivers (i guess they will continu with M-Sport in 2018) who can battle every round for the win.
Mexicoooooooooooooo!!!!!!
Arribaaaaaaa
Lindo y querido!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/...edy_zoomed.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Really? So words like joke, ridiculous or disgrace that were used in previous posts probably should be taken as compliments…Quote:
Originally Posted by electroliquid
Yep, so far Citroen didn’t show the competitiveness most of us expected, but it’s too soon to say they’ve failed with the new car or that their season is ruined.
Take Neuville case last season: after 4 terrible events many here said he was finished, still he managed to get back and become ’16 vice champion.
Mexico Epic Moments
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqqslPpowjM
Subaru did not have a competitive car since end of 2005. The 2006 and 2007 cars were mediocre-ish. Then in June 2008 a brand new car debuted and after a somewhat lucky 2nd place in first rally it was only good for 4.-5. places, lacking behind both C4 and Focus.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacko
Sure, financial crisis was very important part of the decision, but introducing a brand new car that lacked pace was imo at least as important. If the car won most of the rallies it entered I am quite sure they wouldn't have pulled out.
The lackluster effort by Citroen after a "year off" is worrisome.
I know what you have said and your attitude to M-Sport, I have read them often enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
When you have to resort to personal insults like NOT I know you have lost the argument.
Sorry people, please resume Mexico talk.
what your brain is imaging that I ve told, is totally different from what I have said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Its not the first time that you cant understand simple things.
You want to insult my intelligence then I will your ridiculous arguing no matter how much it takes to try to twist the facts your way...
"With all this leisure time, the Greeks had time to argue with each other. Wherever they went, they caused chaos by arguing with fellow villagers. It was said it only needed one Greek to start an argument. "
I rest my case. Your further insults will only prove my point.