Very sad and disappointing reaction by the fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
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Very sad and disappointing reaction by the fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
first of all, All credit to Wherlein. P10 is a magnificent result
Then a big bow to Button in p6. that is about as good as the mclaren could take in this race. Encouraging
Congrats to kimi too
Now as to the main event
I firmly believe Rosberg tried to take both cars out and wlak away the winner of this calamity maintaining his points lead.
Even if he maintained his line, Hamilton would have had a good run on him on that back straight. so he pulled a MSC and tried to crash both out.
This is further supported by the stewards now investigating Rosberg
The boos for Hamilton are understandable by the big german contingent there. but they would see the replays and understand who was to blame.
It was an inspired last few laps to close the gap to rosberg on 1 lap older softs vs Rosberg's supersofts
and this after Mercedes hung him out to dry on his first stint, effectively giving rosberg the race lead
then they give him a slow pit stop,
then they pit him again and give him yellow softs instead of his set of ultra's
then rosberg tries to take him out, he survives and wins the race
despite the boos, this was an epic effort for Hamilton
Oh and points for Wehrlein. Just noticed that. Awesome.
i love how Toto and Lauda seem more upset about the collision and pretending like they don't understand how "both" drivers hit each other. lol
To Lauda's credit, he thinks Nico is at fault
The interview of toto with kravitz is revealing.
drama
Ted had it spot on and Toto was like "you got it wrong" lol
It would be apropo as the team were not wathcing the same race as the rest of us. SMH
The crowd booing, but actually Rosberg was at fault today.
Lauda saying Nico had a brake problem. However maybe it was one that they couldnt tell him about over the radio. How nuts is that.
That said Rosberg must have been desperate to hold his points so with the history of Hamilton initiating some contact maybe he tried to do the same.
Weird that whatever happens when they touch that Hamilton wins out more often than not. He seems just slightly more instinctive in these moments and maybe why he is still slightly ahead in terms of whole package. I dont know. Just seems that way.
indeedQuote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
Has that team scored a point under any name? When? Glad to see it anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by steveaki13
Bianchi at Monaco 2014.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stan Reid
so sky is trying to say that bono made the right call to put softs and not ultras on Hamilton because rosberg's tires had graining and looked the worse shape at the end.
But that to me is still wrong. Hamilton did a long stint on 3 lap old ultras on heavier fuel at the beginning of the race and would have clearly benefited from a new set with a lighter load and only about 12-15 laps to go.
C'mon buddy, typically Mercedes gives priority of pitting to the driver ahead. First time round they stopped Rosberg who was in 2nd first, but crucially kept Hamilton out long enough for Nico to end up in front of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by N4D13
You talk about Hamilton screwing up his out lap, but have you wondered why they stopped Hamilton first in the 2nd stint with at least 10 laps of tyre more than Rosberg, but crucially giving him only one lap space before stopping Rosberg.
Whichever way you look at it, there is much there that makes you wonder.
The race wasn't ota so I spent my time reading up on the world's feral pig problem.
Bianchi scored two in Monaco in 2014Quote:
Originally Posted by Stan Reid
toto is losing his ever loving mind
team orders are not the solution.
Cars collide for a reason and team orders won't stop that
in barcelona, rosberg effectively turned into hamilton sending him off track
in Austira he crashes into him in both incidents causing a collision
And what toto is talking about is nonsensical.
They just won the race and one of their drivers has some sort of issue in causing collisions with his teammate
if anythnig and internal reprimand is warranted.
But to be honest i would like to see them both left alone to drive as they see fit and if a collision in the heat of battle occurs so be it.
Mercedes are so far ahead in the WCC that it is effectively a done deal, but the way toto talks about it it is as if the 1-2 finish is the most important thing
so the focus should b on providing both cars with a fair and decent set up and independent race strategy and allow these boys to fight
I have no desire to see manufactured 1-2's when it is not needed at this point. Let them fight it out and if both crash then so be it.
At least we will have an honest championship and by default they already win the Constructors championship/
.......add to that, ensure the pit crew are selected and paid by the driver. You can't convince me that the first Hamilton stop was just a crew error. They deliberately went for a slower change!
for all of what folks say
kimi and vettel are tied in points
I also don't understand Vettel blaming Pirelli
I think Nasr did 45 laps on those tires. Vestappen did 60 on his
Ferrari need to check their pressures and setup and perhaps vettel took too much out of the tire, and maybe a few flat spots.
But of course it can't be his fault.
to vettel's credit he usually comes out later once cooled down and accept blame
I guess that officially makes Sauber the worst team in F1.
Be glad I'm no longer a Moderator here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
I missed the live race, and I'm getting ready to watch the replay!Quote:
Originally Posted by Koz
“Nevertheless I was confident I could defend and bring it home, and I had the inside position, strong position, and I went a bit deep into the corner, but that’s fine, you know, I dictate, I’m on the inside.
“Then I was just very surprised that Lewis turned in, that caused a collision.”
So , that's what Nico said about the incident .
This is significant because of his reasoning .
He stated that he dictates his position on track because he was inside .
We have heard Lewis state this position multiple times in the past and I suspect that this is , or was , an accepted position for either driver , at least within the team , itself .
Given that this was only recently demonstrated to have been the position of the stewards when Nico was forced out when outside of a first corner , dropping him down to ninth from 2nd on the grid , which wasn't investigated by the stewards to my knowledge , I guess we should assume this is the case .
I don't agree with forcing another driver off track .
His brakes were sketchy , maybe worse than he knew , but in the heat of the moment , it's hard to blame him too much from there , with Lewis coming in hot to the left , any driver would be tempted to stay of the whoa pedal .
But the other side of that is that he knew they were rough , so maybe should have accepted his car was crippled , and taken a respectable second . There's an easy argument there , but , for sure , he would have been pilloried if he didn't put up a fight .
So , not that I agree with the tactic , but if holding a guy outside is acceptable , then the lack of turn in for Rosberg that has been pointed at as the main point of guilt , is an acceptable tactic .
Understeer was the reasoning given in the first corner that I mentioned earlier , that had Nico off , apparently acceptably .
This time , no brakes certainly inducing rather severe understeer were rather obvious , then restated multiple times by his team .
They also stated that they were not able to tell him just how bad they were , so , a bit shocking for the driver , given it was stated that the brake-by-wire went out only on the straight before .
Looking also at how late Nico waits to turn , we see it only after Lewis does so .
In effect , Nico is right that Lewis turned into him .
Lewis said he had Nico in his blind spot , so couldn't see him when he turned in .
I guess that's ok , but he had to have known he was there , and he must have been expecting to have Nico leave space for him on the outside .
So , that's fair , but inconsistent with his feelings in many cases in earlier races .
To get to the heart of it , no , I don't like what Nico did .
It doesn't seem consistent with the rules about leaving room .
It will be interesting what the stewards say about it .
On another topic , Nico was criticized for not letting Lewis back on track .
But the rules state the driver re-entering must do so safely , so in reality , almost a foul on Lewis .
On another , Nico's driving with a broken front end , he stayed out of the way of drivers who were clearly faster , and would not have been able to see most of the damage , only feel it from within the cockpit . Given he made it around without affecting the results too much with strewn CF , especially with the yellows , should let him off , but , who knows ? Maybe they need to give him a reprimand to even it up a little .
It wouldn't surprise me .
I hope I didn't disappoint anyone here with my assessments .
What a race!!!
I'm glad Hamilton got the win after Mercedes messed up the timing of the pit stops (surely that was a mistake?)
How be we wait until we read what I have to say , henners ?Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
This is a discussion board . Expect discussion .
No you didn't Bagwan, just as expected. Your reputation is intact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
You've proven me completely correct in my previous assumption.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
If these drivers had been the other way around, we would have seen you explain Lewis barging Nico off in a fit of red mist.
You don't disappoint.
As is yours , henners .Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
I think Nico was wrong to force Lewis off track .
Do you think differently ?
Nico Rosberg has been given a 10 second penalty. Leaving him 4th. now +26 instead of +16 seconds behind Hamilton and 2 penalty points on his license. If he gets 12 he faces a race ban.
So no real penalty at all. hmm...........................
Nico was given 10 seconds and 2 points on his licence .
Good ruling .
I hope this is the way it is from now on .
Nope, I think Nico was 100% at fault with absolutely no apportion of the blame going to Lewis in this incident. Lewis kept wide and out of trouble with Nico still making contact with 3/4 of the track at his disposal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
The championship gap has closed and hopefully Hamilton can carry the momentum into the British GP.
It's only a good ruling if you are a Nico fan or hate Hamilton.
If it doesn't affect his race/championship position It's a non penalty, and oks that kind of kamikaze driving. Ah well, if that's the way it is... I hope they remain consistent in the future at very least.
Like you do... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
I blame DRS. Hamilton shouldn't have been up Rosberg's a$$ that easily in the first place... but that aside, that mercedes car is truly one of the best of all times (relative to its rivals of course). To think that they dominated in such a fashion for 3 years already with those 2 morons in the car is unbelievable.
The incident made me nostalgic. I went to youtube and searched for this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjBGZDFYEqA
There is been a lot of drama in that last lap. As much as it was in Dumb and Dumber
I was waiting your reasoning. I knew it'd be bananas and you'd attempt to exonerate Rosberg in some way somehow. But it was good to see that even you couldn't find a way to blame Hamilton despite clearly trying very desperately to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
At the end of the day it boils down to this: Lewis left bags and bags of room, he had to turn in at some point and left it as late as he could. It was amateur from Rosberg and 100%, once again, his fault as it was in Spain, Belgium and Monaco.
Nico is an amazing driver, one of the quickest ever in the sport, in my opinion. It's a shame he resorts to these antics as that will ultimately what he will be remembered for opposed to the amazing talent he displays week in week out on track. It is his biggest weakness. And there is no need for it either as has it within him to beat Hamilton over the course of a weekend and then he goes along and does something like this. A real pity he does these kind of thing continuously.
At least when Hamilton does mess up I am happy to stick the boot in. I don't always have to be predicable one way or the other. Thanks for your input here though. I probably respect your posts as much as you respect mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Ben
Rosbergs driving can be brilliant,his starts,his pace if he is in the lead,but the red mist comes out far too often in many races,and is reminiscent of MSc .
He needs to realize that Hamilton wins races with race craft ,even though today he had very slow pit stops,inferior tyres,and what looked like the Mercedes Mafia on his back ,and Rosberg again crashing into him .The "boos" were disgraceful from the crowd today ! Let's start being fair with both drivers Mercedes or Lewis could be departing to a team that appreciates his efforts
Stop bitching at each other for pity sake.
I like to think of myself as being relatively neutral. I like Hamilton and think he has amazing talent but often screws up and thats why he wont ever be among the absolute greatest in my eyes. (Not yet anyway)
However this time I fail to see how anyone can blame Hamilton. Unless he was just going to drive off track he had no where to go. He stayed wide and was aiming to sneak around the outside of the white line, leaving Rosberg 3/4 of the track.
Even if Nico had brake issues, that does not stop him turning for the corner early and trying to avoid Lewis. He did nothing of the sort and IMO tried to push Lewis off.
I feel it warranted at least a grid drop or points deduction from the race.
If others disagree then I am amazed but accept it. Just stop all the moaning about each other.
Twice we have seen booing from the fans in Austria. They did it in 2002 when Barrichello let Schumacher pass.
Rosberg- "I'm on the inside, I have the right to defend. I don't need to take the ideal line."
You do if you are behind Lewis at that point son.
I think to be fair to the crowd, the commentary at the track suggested Hamilton had crashed into Rosberg rather than the other way around. I doubt many of the fans trackside had seen the hash Nico made in that corner. The verdict post race is pretty unanimous despite Nico still not accepting fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by driveace
I think you need to calm down Steve, chill. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by steveaki13
no bloody way..........................Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
You need to stop bitching at me Steve lol.