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Spot on , dj .Quote:
Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster
http://oi67.tinypic.com/2w7kdgx.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster
Yeah, I don't think so mate. This image clearly shows Lewis alongside and he isn't off the track. He's on the edge of the track. No question, Nico's fault.
Nico pulled the Schumacher One-Continuous-Move and this time an accident was the result.
should have gone to spec-savers. The front wheel is blantantly obviously on the astro-turf, which, when I last checked was quite slippery and no part of the track. Stweards disagree too. It was deemed a racing accident with no penalties handed out. Which is good for Lewis, because after two reprimands already, else he would started the Monaco GP in Nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
He is alongside Nico and at that point it's up to Nico to give him room. Nico doesn't know if Lewis on on Astro turf or not at that point. He does know he is alongside him. Nico's fault. Should have given Lewis room.Quote:
Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster
So basically, racing rules are changed now: Go off track as long as you end up alongside, the other guy has to give way? Sorry, but he was off-track BEFORE he got alongside. Wrong order of events. And how much more evidence do you need? Lewis apologized, Lauda said he was wrong and Stewards did not deem Rosberg worthy of punishment. Your point, please?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
All this happens at over 250 kmh, its ridiculous to measure at pictures that for 27 hundreds of a second somebody was 34 milimiters alonside another one.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
Lewis wasn't off the track he was on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster
Lauda is an idiot and point you've made on here many times. The Stewards deemed it a racing incident and Lewis apologised because they crashed out, he didn't take the blame for it. Rosberg did the same. So let's state it as it is and not as you usually do to suit your agenda.
My point is: Rosberg was at fault. The image above shows that. Lewis was alongside him ON the track.
Not according to the rules it's not!Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
That works both ways too. Lewis went for a gap that was quickly closed and at that speed it meant it was very difficult to abort. This is why it was deemed a racing incident with both drivers at fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
Sorry, but the track is not green, and Lewis's right wheel is on a green surface. And Lewis DID accept the blame. Read something else but BBC propaganda and you'll see it's reported everywhere. Your point is Rosberg is at fault, but everyone from Mercedes to the stewards disagrees, else Rosberg would have been penalized for causing a collision, which he was not.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
Seemed like a racing incident to me and the stewards are of the same opinion...but if there was someone at fault, I couldn't give a flying monkeys who it was. Main thing is no-one was hurt and it also makes for a more exciting championship.
Wish every race was like this one, let's just ban Merc from F1 ;)
Drivers are allowed exceed track limits as long as all four wheels don't go beyond the white line when doing an overtake. He may have been slightly on the green but that's completely legal. And no, Lewis didn't accept responsibility because it wasn't his to accept.Quote:
Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster
Merc will have two weeks to wring out their crying towels. Viva Super Max!
You guys are a bunch of moany whiners. :p
All this studying millisecond footage. Racing drivers dont have time to think that. Its instinct. This constant blame adds to the sterilization of F1
We had two drivers fighting for a Championship and race like Senna & Prost did. Both had blame it was as the race directors finally said correctly a racing incident.
Hamilton went for a risky gap as a racer knowing there was a chance to crash, Rosberg closed the door hard and said "\I will not give up this lead".
Both showed balls, both knew there were risks. Rosberg is happy enough as he retains a 43 point lead. Hamilton knew that was a risk but decided to go for it like a racer....
IMO a racing incident that should both a hard racers. It was an exciting moment of the season and ramps up the drama. Meanwhile Max came through to take an amazing win. Great to see a race for the win today.
We should enjoy the drama and hope we see close racing next time without the collision. Bahrain 2014.....
all this Hamilton fans /Rosberg haters blaming Rosberg and Rosberg fans / Hamilton haters blame Hamilton is boring really.
Both took a risk and both lost in the race. Rosberg comes out on top because he retains his points lead. Monaco should be exciting.
Oh great .
Steve again , whining about people whining .
Show some balls and pick a side .
Hee hee .
I think this accident today may have revealed how Rosberg has been getting the upper hand at the starts this year. He may have figured out that the energy recovery mode gave a better traction from standstill than the normal startoff mode. While Hamilton has been following the instructed start procedures, Nico may have been using the unorthodox energy recovery mode. Every other race before today, Hamilton has had crashes at the first corner, hence has not been in the position in this grand prix to challenge Rosberg into the second corner.
All cars are in the same starting mode at the start and later forcibly switch into the default mode set by the driver. The starting mode is not set by the driver but FIA, ther same way how they can enable/disable DRS. It appears you simply can't accept that Lewis has had starting problems all year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nitrodaze
Fair enough we would have no debate if we followed my principles..........;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
Anyway I pick my side........................... I think both drivers are noobs, but brave and fast noobs.... :p
I was speculating, but it is interesting that he was able to start the race in the wrong mode and the FIA did not know about it of make a big deal about it. Also interesting is how he was able to get going from standstill in a different mode. I fail to see how he would have had the time to change into that mode between the start line and corner one. Which ever way you look at it, it is peculiar to say the least.Quote:
Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster
He didn't start in the wrong mode, how Lewis said in the interview. That was simply an attempt to mislead the public, because it isn't possible unless there was a technical failure. All cars start in the same mode, which is activated by FIA, the same way they activate/deactivate DRS on the cars. A set time after the start the car forcibly switches into a mode that the driver had set before the start, that's where Rosberg made his mistake or there was a failure on the car, because his car didn't switch to the default race mode, like Lewis's, but started harvesting energy instead. Hence the blinking rear light.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nitrodaze
I must also add, that I thought Vettel was a real whinger today as well. Ricciardo made an ambitious move but he was trying to make a pass. Which is what I want to see. Vettel has probably made rash moves in the past. Just duck back up the inside and force him towards the grass..... and drive on Seb
I disagree. It wasn't an ambitious move, it was a dumb move. Admittedly it was one that worked occasionally in the past, but it also went wrong occasionally, like when he clattered into Rosberg at Hungary last year. He was way too far back and was never even remotely looking like making the corner. On top of that, he went very hard over the bumps in the run-off after missing the corner, which might have contributed to the tyre damage later on.Quote:
Originally Posted by steveaki13
An on the topic of whinger. If anyone, RIC was one himself, publically bawling over the team messing up his strategy, completely forgetting that this was exactly how he scored his own maiden victory, because he was behind Seb all race in Canada 2014, until the team backed Seb into traffic with the last pitstop.
That would make sense as the car was not flashing off the start line but after the first turn. But could there be inherent advantage in making the setting in that way?Quote:
Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster
Not really. What advantage would there bee in making the car switch to a mode that effectively removes 160 bhp of power and also gives a flashing light signal to your pursuers that says 'hey I'm down on power'. We would have seen the light flashing before if that was the case, and the rest of the field would be using the same trick anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nitrodaze
I see it 75% on Rosberg. Nico may have left Barcelona with his 43 lead intact, but he has poked the sleeping giant. I frankly think LH was a bit happy for Nico's success and therefore did not have the psychological edge necessary to take the fight to his teammate, but all that is out the window. Hamilton is getting ready to lay a smack down on the princess.
Well stated, this is what posterity will remember about this incident.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve
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Originally Posted by Bagwan
Oh, a tough guy! ;)
I'm going to summarize up here the way I see the incident:
Hamilton was 17kmph+ faster than Rosberg on the exit of turn three. He saw that Nico was derating and knew he had a chance to retake the lead. On the exit of turn 3 he had three choices:
1) Hold back (no driver worth his salt would do this and would have left him potentially exposed to Daniel Ricciardo)
2) Go left
3) Go right
The gap to the right was bigger so he went for it. At this point in time I think he made the correct choice as, had he gone left, Rosberg would have just kept the line he was on, braked late, and had a nice clean line into turn 4 and the overtake would have failed. Going to the inside was Hamilton's best chance to overtake which he correctly attempted to do. I don't believe he could or should have taken any other option with such a speed advantage.
At the same point that Hamilton was doing this, Rosberg was fiddling with his steering wheel after being in the incorrect mode for the start. He looked in the mirror, saw Hamilton coming for him and swerved right to block him not realising that Hamilton was so much quicker than him. This was the point he made the mistake. Rosberg should have realised after being in the incorrect mode Hamilton would have had a huge speed difference over him and, thus, should have left him room. Unfortunately, he didn't and Hamilton hadn't time to react, thus the incident which ensued. I think that, ultimately, the Steward's did the right thing by not penalising any driver as hard racing is what F1 should be about and it was hard racing from both of them, which is fair game in my book, and sometimes when you race hard against each other these things happen. The fault lies with Rosberg but the winner is F1 as it's great to see two drivers on top of their game go at it like that and for once not have the Stewards meddle with it either or penalize either driver. It shows there is still a place for hard racing in F1.
A desperate move from a desperate man, trying to pass Nico to the right, on the grass, no lifting there, no full trottle. Awarded with two DNF:s.
I don't think that's the case. From Ant Davidson's analysis of the switch positions from the on-board camera, it appeared that Nico set off with the engine mode selector in a different position to the previous race.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nitrodaze
Exactly! Rosberg himself said he was in the incorrect mode. It was his mistake that he chose the incorrect setting.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyL
What are they going to do if Max wins the U.S. G.P. and he's not legally old enough to drink?:beer:
LOL! Good question!Quote:
Originally Posted by Stan Reid
So why were Ricciardo and Vettel put on strategies that required overtaking on a circuit where you can't overtake?
Too funny. That is why I have a new name for him. Period Boy.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
Are you an imbecile? Just wondering, because there was no way that Ferrari was overtaking the Red Bull. Kimi had no tyre advantage and Max didn't make a mistake. The only way he could have overtaken Max would have been by ramming him out.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
And if you want Kimi fired, what do you want done with Period Boy, who was slower than Kimi?
Ferrari was still the much better car compared to Red Bull.Quote:
Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster
Ricciardo was also faster than Period Boy that day.Quote:
Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster
Has Lewis actually in public admitted his that he was to blame or is that RTL propaganda?Quote:
Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster
Because that was the faster strategy according to Pirelli.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
Only if you had clean air or were able to overtake. I'd be pretty annoyed if I was Ricc. He was quicker than Verstappen, didn't make any mistakes (apart from a desperate move on Vettel) and ended up with nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garry Walker
Can't help but feeling Helmut Marko got exactly what he wanted.
Hope you are not accusing Red Bull of accusing one driver over another? That has never happened before ever surely??? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
BTW I kept that signature too, but gave up after my cheque failed to arrive...... what gives Tazzy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
Was he faster than Max?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow