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Who's gonna do the interviews in Mexico then - Julio Iglesias?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Nico seeming pretty unhappy on the podium.
Throwing the hat back, sour face. I know he probably was annoyed by his error and his championship failure.
Maybe he was also upset by the first corner incident.
He always comes second in those. Except Spa last year. Hamilton seems to be able to be that bit harder in wheel to wheel battle
I don't think he is mad at the first corner incident as it ultimately and for most of the race played no factor in the outcome. He already passed hamilton fair and square on the track and from there on was ahead of him in control of the race until his mistake. I think he was probably mad at his mistake and the realty of not winning the championship. I also wonder if the pitwall gave him the hurry up and warned him of not to let vettel through.Quote:
Originally Posted by steveaki13
Did you guys see the press conference? Rosberg pretty displeased with the first corner. Said it was pretty aggressive and then said well he just drove into me.
I think he is also suspicous about the error he made to give Lewis the lead. He seemed to be sending lots of messages out.
That was a fantastic race. Unfortunately I couldn't post anything during the race because AT&T's network was apparently a bit clogged up...
Anyway, great result for Lewis, and the wet-to-dry conditions made for an interesting race. Very apparent that the Red Bull was very strong in early grip-limited conditions, before the pendulum swung dramatically back to Merc and Ferrari as the track dried. Some great fights up and down the field, good showing by Alex Rossi and what about Max Verstappen!
Very glad that the rain abated. We were pretty soggy by about lunchtime (as the rain was just about wound down) and managed to just about dry ourselves out by the time the race started.
I am very 'appy to see Jenson up in 6th ands I hear Alonso was running 5th with his new engine before it lost power, dropping him to his third 11th place in a row. I know there were safety cars etc but it must bode reasonably well for next season.
Great result for Verstappen too - another 4th! Only Vettel has ever also scored as high a result as that (and higher) in a Toro Rosso.
And yet another strong drive by Perez to 5th - he now has over twice Hulkenberg's points!
I tried to watch this one but didn't have much success. I can only watch F1 on RTL and my german is very limited. There are so many commercials on RTL that I missed almost everything. Everytime the broadcast came back on after commercials the order was completely different and I had no idea what had happened as I didn't understand much of what they were saying. At some point the commercials ended just in time for the safety car and when the safety car went out commercials started again:laugh:. I don't have a clue how Alonso and Button got to 5th and 6th at some point. What a waste of time...
What a fantastic race. One of the best races in recent memory.
Lewis won it in style. I don't see what Rosberg is complaining about with in the first corner incident. Hamilton had the line and overtook - it didn't seem intentional to hit him me and it was just hard racing.
So Lewis finally walks with the greats now and he can continue his journey in style - what an amazing driver.
Lewis pushed Nico off track twice!! I think Nico should have let Seb passed him at the last lap, then some justice.
Do you still have a beef with Hammy? Isn't he blond now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mia 01
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Originally Posted by steveaki13
That's not what people said when Vettel was winning.
When another driver won one title more than Lewis has up to now, people said, it was all the car - Seriously, does anyone think his last two titles were not won by default because he sat in a car that was completely without competition? No Red Bull was ever as ridiculously superior. You'll have to go back to the Schumacher years or 1988 to find something that ridiculously superior. 2014 and 2015 had nothing to do with Lewis. The Merc engine won those titles.Quote:
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Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster
In 2011, Red Bull chassis was not as dominant over the rest of field as Mercedes is right now. After all, 7 of the 2011 season races were won by McLaren and Ferrari. In 2014 and 2015, non-Mercedes cars won only three times each season (so far). On the other hand, Vettel did not face a whole lot of competition from Mark Webber within the team in 2011. Webber won only one race that year, and that was because of mechanical issues in Vettel's car.Quote:
Originally Posted by kfzmeister
My view is that Mercedes is more dominant this season than the 2011 Red Bull, but Rosberg serves a very important purpose of keeping Hamilton "honest".
There's no doubting that Vettel is an amazing driver and I can't honestly dispute that. To win 4 titles in a row is an incredible achievement but I also think he benefited hugely from a pretty weak teammate and a whole lot of extremely good luck to win those four titles. Lets not forget that Vettel won 9 races in a row in 2013 and 13 races in total that year himself so to say he hasn't had dominant cars is a bit of a fallacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by dj_bytedisaster
Lewis benefited from the Mercedes being the best car on the grid but he also has an extremely talented teammate in the other car. Nico Rosberg is no slouch and, as can been seen on occasion, he is faster than Lewis, he is just not able to put it all together enough because, to beat Lewis, you have to be on the limit every corner of every lap. I regard Rosberg as the kind of driver that is of WDC material. I really think he could win a WDC if Lewis wasn't his teammate. He's a brilliant driver. I couldn't have said the same about Mark alongside Vettel - he'd only have won a WDC probably in a Button 2009 situation.
The main difference that sticks out for me between Vettel and Hamilton is that Hamilton has had really strong teammates and he has always beaten them, excepting Button 2011, which was more down to Lewis two extra DNF's and his partying too much but he has always won a race with every single car he has been given. Vettel last year finally had a teammate whom he could be compared with and really didn't stack up too well. He failed to win a race, and his teammate won 3. I was hoping last year that Vettel would show what he could do but he didn't. This is why I think that if Hamilton were his teammate he wouldn't be able to handle the pressure he'd be put under over the course of a season. Hamilton is happy to have a teammate with equal machinery and equipment alongside him to prove himself against, Sebastien isn't and this is a flaw that would ultimately see him falter like he did last year, imo.
I am unsure, how much better Rosberg really is than Webber was, if any. Webber could also qualify well - like Rosberg does - though Webber tended to throw races away with bad starts. His race pace overall wasn't that bad. Rosberg doesn't have remarkable race pace either.
Personally... I really hoped Rosberg could seriously challenge Hamilton, and it is always good for competition if we have lots of top drivers. Based on 2013 these hopes were justified, because he was running Hamilton very close that year. But based on what I have seen since then I can't rate Rosberg higher than the likes of Barrichello, Coulthard or Webber any more.