Paddon just stopped twitting.For some 2 hours non stop. Wish all drivers do that.
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Paddon just stopped twitting.For some 2 hours non stop. Wish all drivers do that.
Does anyone have the transcription of the press conference where Paddon and Ogier had the argument?
WHere are journalists where we need them?
France 14 and 15 he had technical problem early and was out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
but yes he has lost before but only in Finland he as was close to victory as on this event.
Also Argentina '14 was a straight fight (in my opinion best Latvala's rally in a while but we are OT)Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
France '14 he had a spin that brought into a techincal problem, while in France '15 he got a puncture so yes they are not the case.
Don't want to sound too pro-Ogier, but I think we are a bit deluded to say this was a straight fight. OK - the last stage was done on equal terms, but lets not fool ourselves into think Ogier wouldn't have gone into that stage with anything less than a 30 second lead if the road conditions were equal for everyone.
They are all miles away from Ogier.......even Paddon.
captain obvious to the rescue !!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Doon
Bahahaha
For rally fans it's just exciting to see someone who in the future maybe, just maybe, could beat Ogier.
Still in the next couple of years all we can really hope for is that Ogier gets rattled and ends up beating himself. Latvala has done so little to get under the skin of his team-mate over 3 and a bit seasons. It's just nice to see someone now in Paddon who is still developing and has Ogier looking over his shoulder.
Paddon is Hyundai's future and he shouldn't be starting in a car with 20 on the side again in my opinion. Even on tarmac. The manufacturers championship is a non-event this year anyway. Start to build the team around Hayden.
Your trolling level is getting higher and higher lately.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Btw, captain obvious is welcome here sometimes. After sunday someone was already putting Paddon at the same level of Ogier and Hyundai at same level of Polo....
Paddons summary of the stage in a NZ newspaper.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/motorsp...lieve-our-time
and on tarmac , Ogier gets to put mud and rock on the racing line that others have to drive on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doon
swings and roundabouts.
Well NOT that obvious to some.........you said it!Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
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Originally Posted by N.O.T
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Originally Posted by Doon
What NOT says is true regarding the last stage of the event, 16.32Km of twisty gravel road, conditions equal, no bullshit and Paddon blitzed Ogiers time. Forget the rest of the event, this stage alone was a huge deal, no one has done this to Ogier for a long time, in fact I cannot recall when Loeb ever did it to him?
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
Monte some times...Quote:
Originally Posted by Nornbugger
dont you think that ogier used his tyres more on penultimate stage, and thats why he was not first on a power stage... its not regular to see ogier being so 'slow' on a PS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nornbugger
Where they usually are: someplace jerking off and re-writing press releases they were handed into more hyperbole..:snore:Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
In motorsport, there's no such thing like "equal road conditions". Its something that even a 5 year old kart racer has experienced. The pro and anti arguments of dust, sweeping, mud on tar, tyre wear etc. The only thing that will be fair to Ogier is if he gets to choose his start position everyday.
Then Bertelli would go first.
Someone explain how that would be fair to the drivers and more importantly the championship.
Exactly !!Quote:
Originally Posted by smokingjoe
one reason is this,that Ogier had worst tyres,due to previous stage pushing hardQuote:
Originally Posted by drive
another reason could be that because at penaltumate stage Ogier gained 20 sec,thought that Paddon couldnt push more,just rated Paddons speed wrong,for the last stage.
another could be that Ogier had seen Paddons speed through 3 days,and didn t like to risk points for championships,because before some rallies he had lost points attacking at power stage while he was 1st(if i remember right)
imho last has the most possibilities,in conjuction with worn tyres.Dont forget that Ogiers good pace at power stages is due to he can afford to dont push at penaltumate stages, because almost always, he had big differences from 2nd,and his tyres were at better condition.Something that didnt happened at this rally.
this.Quote:
Originally Posted by drive
i expected ogier to back off and go for 2nd place and win the powerstage. but it seems he tried to go for the win and destroyed his tyres while doing so.
HAKA welcomes back Hayden today in New Zealand airport => http://goo.gl/ABAoqO
Until Portugal, some will give microscopic analysis of Ogier's loss. Others will simply accept that Paddon has gotten closer to his wrc champ target.
Most of us will not recognize that in 24Apr2016, rallying changed forever. Ole Martin Lundefaret finally proved that a scientific approach to driving means faster times.
Rallying will never be the same.
If I remember right, the drivers were on soft tyres at Sunday stages. Ogier can easily destroy them for ~40kms. IMO slower stage time than Sordo's means his tyres were shot, no sense to make stunning times at 2 stages and blew it on the PS.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Why do we discuss this in Paddon's thread?
no.Quote:
Originally Posted by mozesii
Could we maybe be happy about what happened, and agree it was the most important thing for the WRC in many years happening in Argentina. Paddon will progress for sure, but in a way I can agree with Mozesii that from now rallying maybe changes a bit, becoming more computerised in preparations...
However Paddons win was truly important for the sport even if only lasts until next event in Portugal.
Paddon interview
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/spor...-nz-homecoming
At just two and a bit seconds in arrears of Paddon - after starting the day ~30 seconds behind - it's not credible to assume that he wasn't trying on the power stage. That's not in Ogier's DNA. He pushed hard enough, he thought, to take the win. Why it wasn't sufficiently quick to beat Sordo isn't clear. But given the big win on the previous stage, then yes, it's possible his tyres were no longer up to it, or some other car-related malady restricted his performance.
But I have yet to see or hear anything that confirms such a scenario. Maybe Dani did a blinder himself? Maybe Seb made an error somewhere. Who knows? But Ogier himself credits Hayden's drive for his power stage win, not some outside agent that caused the Frenchman an issue. He thought he'd done enough and he was wrong.
That in itself tells me that Paddon has him rattled, and that the scale of the win was utterly unexpected. Without the road-sweeping excuse, the champ has had to face the fact that there's somebody out there who, head to head, can be more than his equal.
It's been a long time coming.
This.... Ogier will also recognise that HP does not have the mental fragility of Latvala nor the gung ho style of Meeke (always on the edge). Controlled speed and mentally tough - I hope it gives us some great fights - at least Haydon can rely on his road sweeper for the next 3-4 rallies!!Quote:
Originally Posted by ArtooDetoo
I am sure that Ogier wanted to win but he also have to think more long time then just this rally. For Ogier, too much or too aggressive attack on the final stage
might cause him to have an off or hit a rock or something. So for Ogier settling for second might be a better idea then to try to get a few extra points.
Winning the wch title isn't about winning every rally and every stage, it is about being consistent and to know when it
is appropriate to back off. Ogier was about 30 points ahead of the nearest competitor in the standings before Argentina
but he is almost 40 points ahead after Argentina.No need to risk having an off when you have such a big lead so dropping
a few points is beneficial for the greater good.
True but we have seen before that Ogier has had zero caution when it comes to the Power Stage. He's been leading the championship for almost three and a half years so it's not a new phenomenon for him. He hasn't had to adopt the conservative 'think of the championship' strategy you speak of at all. He only ever mentions it as mind games, eg. when he was fighting Loeb. There's no way he got to that close to Paddon heading into the final stage and thought, "nah I'll just finish second." He just isn't wired like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by BleAivano
I said much the same at the end of Saturday - I think he then decided he could pull a huge time on the penultimate stage thinking Paddon didn't have the ability to respond after seeing his performance on the first Condor run. He miscalculated if that was the case ...but still 19 points
With Ogier & Paddon running 1st & 2nd on the road for 2 days on the next round, that will show us were things really are.
We already know where we are. Paddon started sunday with a 30 seconds gap and finished with 12. Curb your enthusiasm, we are in front of a promes, not a reality. Still long way to go but yes, in the future he could be a real treat.
Paddon himself admits this is not his best he can achieve, so we can expect battles becoming closer in near future.
very well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
HP has difficulty backing a trailer when off the long flight back to NZ from Buenos Aires. Also did through the cones.
http://www.newshub.co.nz/tvshows/sto...#axzz470QSMolZ
Thank you mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
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Originally Posted by AL14
What is a promes? I've googled it but I'm sure you do not mean anything to do with a Dutch born footballer who plays for Spartak Moscow?
i think he ment promise