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13th April 2007, 14:00
555-04Q2

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Ron deserves enormous credit for 1) supporting LH's career the way he did for many years and 2) giving him the opportunity he has this year, particularly as it's not like McLaren to take a rookie on as a race driver. The last time they did was with Jan Magnussen back in '95.

Indeed :up: Looks like his faith in LH will be repayed shortly.
13th April 2007, 14:02
tintop

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Originally Posted by luvracin

This is a circular discussion that will never end.

Your problem here is that you are attempting to apply facts and sound logic to an original post that was primarily intended to smear a driver that has beaten one's fav driver/team.
13th April 2007, 17:23
jjanicke

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Originally Posted by longisland

For once i agreed with IOAN. LH doesn't derserve the half the credit he claimed. Massa was just being unlucky. I believed the real reason why Massa counldn't make that corner has more to do with the longer wheel base (4 inch to be exact) of the new car. A car designed by an ex-Mclaren Designer by the name of Nicholas Tombazis. The wheel base is too long it has to do a 3 point turn to over take a Mclaren and aero design that sucked up all the dirty air from the rear of a Mclaren not even Kimi can do anything about it. Wait a minute, Kimi's from Mclaren too. That means Massa & team red is realy facing and uphill battle. One against three on the grid. What an ingenious move by the ronster

4 inches longer? The rules are very specific on the width of the car. So according to your statement the wheel base in not governed by the FIA rules. Is that correct?
13th April 2007, 23:22
Ian McC

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Ron deserves enormous credit for 1) supporting LH's career the way he did for many years and 2) giving him the opportunity he has this year, particularly as it's not like McLaren to take a rookie on as a race driver. The last time they did was with Jan Magnussen back in '95.

And for spotting such talent at an early age, I bet Ron is feeling really smug right now.
13th April 2007, 23:29
ioan

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Originally Posted by Ian McC

I bet Ron is feeling really smug right now.

That's his natural state of mind! ;)
14th April 2007, 01:20
ShiftingGears

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Originally Posted by jjanicke

4 inches longer? The rules are very specific on the width of the car. So according to your statement the wheel base in not governed by the FIA rules. Is that correct?

No, no, wheelbase is the distance between the centre of the two wheels(lengthwise), and this F1 racing magazine tells me that the wheelbase of the F2007 is 100mm longer than the 248 F1. However I don't see that as an excuse for Massa's mistake at all.
14th April 2007, 02:35
longisland

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Originally Posted by jjanicke

4 inches longer? The rules are very specific on the width of the car. So according to your statement the wheel base in not governed by the FIA rules. Is that correct?

I'm referrining to the distance between the front and the rear axles.
14th April 2007, 04:00
wmcot

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Originally Posted by Malllen

You're speculating on what isn't there.

I'd say he just looked at it and thought of a more succint way he could've explained it.

If you define "succinct" as "Ron-approved" I'd agree with you. You mean you don't think Ron controls what his drivers say? Have you heard any of the remarks from drivers leaving McLaren (from DC up to Kimi)?
14th April 2007, 05:24
cosmicpanda

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Originally Posted by longisland

For once i agreed with IOAN. LH doesn't derserve the half the credit he claimed. Massa was just being unlucky. I believed the real reason why Massa counldn't make that corner has more to do with the longer wheel base (4 inch to be exact) of the new car. A car designed by an ex-Mclaren Designer by the name of Nicholas Tombazis. The wheel base is too long it has to do a 3 point turn to over take a Mclaren...

So what you are saying, in effect, is that Massa is incapable of driving an F1 car?
14th April 2007, 06:03
jjanicke

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Originally Posted by theugsquirrel

No, no, wheelbase is the distance between the centre of the two wheels(lengthwise), and this F1 racing magazine tells me that the wheelbase of the F2007 is 100mm longer than the 248 F1. However I don't see that as an excuse for Massa's mistake at all.

and, ...

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Originally Posted by longisland

I'm referrining to the distance between the front and the rear axles.

..., duh... I'm not questioning the width!!!! :) I'm asking if the FIA doesn't govern the wheel base of a car, as they do the width. Apparently they don't.
14th April 2007, 07:41
Ian McC

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Originally Posted by ioan

That's his natural state of mind! ;)

:laugh:
14th April 2007, 07:42
janneppi

I couldn't find any mention of maximum or minimum wheel base, or overall length, there are rules about overhangings, but thats it. And when you think about it, it's not a bad thing, gives some freedom to the engineers.
14th April 2007, 09:41
truefan72

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

Indeed :up: Looks like his faith in LH will be repayed shortly.

I wonder how long LH will stay with McClaren though, If it becomes evident that Alonso will always get the preferential treatment, I can realisticly see LH moving to Ferrari or Renault in a year or two. Ron Dennis may have supported his career early on but if LH feels stuck behind Alonso and/or becomes frustrated with RD's continued strategy to undermine his race day efforts ( in a quiet attempt to position his role as a diligent #2 driver out to protect his #1) then I can cleary see LH leaving. He will be the most coveted driver in 1-2 years.

How long is his contract with McClaren (not that it really matters though as one can find a way to get out of contracts these days)
14th April 2007, 20:13
jjanicke

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Originally Posted by janneppi

I couldn't find any mention of maximum or minimum wheel base, or overall length, there are rules about overhangings, but thats it. And when you think about it, it's not a bad thing, gives some freedom to the engineers.

it also makes sense. Wheel base isn't nearly as critical to cornering speed as width is.

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Originally Posted by truefan72

I wonder how long LH will stay with McClaren though, If it becomes evident that Alonso will always get the preferential treatment, I can realisticly see LH moving to Ferrari or Renault in a year or two. Ron Dennis may have supported his career early on but if LH feels stuck behind Alonso and/or becomes frustrated with RD's continued strategy to undermine his race day efforts ( in a quiet attempt to position his role as a diligent #2 driver out to protect his #1) then I can cleary see LH leaving. He will be the most coveted driver in 1-2 years.

How long is his contract with McClaren (not that it really matters though as one can find a way to get out of contracts these days)

Well if Mclaren holds true to what Steve Matchett (SpeedTV) has been saying, little Lewis should get the better pit strategy in tommorrows race. If Mclaren don't give preferential treatment until the WDC is alot more clear I see no reason why Lewis should want to leave, as long as reliability and pace are good.
14th April 2007, 20:16
jjanicke

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Originally Posted by truefan72

I wonder how long LH will stay with McClaren though, If it becomes evident that Alonso will always get the preferential treatment, I can realisticly see LH moving to Ferrari or Renault in a year or two. Ron Dennis may have supported his career early on but if LH feels stuck behind Alonso and/or becomes frustrated with RD's continued strategy to undermine his race day efforts ( in a quiet attempt to position his role as a diligent #2 driver out to protect his #1) then I can cleary see LH leaving. He will be the most coveted driver in 1-2 years.

How long is his contract with McClaren (not that it really matters though as one can find a way to get out of contracts these days)

Well if Mclaren holds true to what Steve Matchett (SpeedTV) has been saying, little Lewis should get the better pit strategy in tommorrows race. If Mclaren don't give preferential treatment until the WDC is alot more clear I see no reason why Lewis should want to leave, as long as reliability and pace are good.
14th April 2007, 20:31
ioan

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Originally Posted by jjanicke

Well if Mclaren holds true to what Steve Matchett (SpeedTV) has been saying, little Lewis should get the better pit strategy in tommorrows race. If Mclaren don't give preferential treatment until the WDC is alot more clear I see no reason why Lewis should want to leave, as long as reliability and pace are good.

Pit strategy is decided before Qualifying 3, so what was decided can't be changed from now on, not for the first round of pit stops anyway.
14th April 2007, 20:49
jjanicke

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Originally Posted by ioan

Pit strategy is decided before Qualifying 3, so what was decided can't be changed from now on, not for the first round of pit stops anyway.

Not so sure that pit strategy is fully decided before Q3. Fuel load is however decided before Q3. If necessary they can alter the pit strategy after Q3 by not refilling the max fuel credit. It is not against the rules to start off lighter than the start of Q3.

+ I think Steve Matchett would understand that part of F1 racing better than you or I.
14th April 2007, 21:04
ioan

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Originally Posted by jjanicke

Not so sure that pit strategy is fully decided before Q3. Fuel load is however decided before Q3. If necessary they can alter the pit strategy after Q3 by not refilling the max fuel credit. It is not against the rules to start off lighter than the start of Q3.

+ I think Steve Matchett would understand that part of F1 racing better than you or I.

I really don't see why someone would not refill all the fuel they can, after all what use to compromise your qualifying with more fuel and than start on low fuel? As far as logics go I can't see what there is to be gained this way?

If Matchett was that good he would be the strategist in an F1 team. :p :
I gave up a long time ago believeing what so called F1 expert journos say.
14th April 2007, 21:12
jjanicke

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Originally Posted by ioan

I really don't see why someone would not refill all the fuel they can, after all what use to compromise your qualifying with more fuel and than start on low fuel? As far as logics go I can't see what there is to be gained this way?

If Matchett was that good he would be the strategist in an F1 team. :p :
I gave up a long time ago believeing what so called F1 expert journos say.

But I guess you are a better strategist than a former bennoton mechanic.

I'll hang my hat on Matchett!
14th April 2007, 21:16
ioan

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Originally Posted by jjanicke

But I guess you are a better strategist than a former bennoton mechanic.

Well, I'm no mechanic, and...

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Originally Posted by jjanicke

I'll hang my hat on Matchett!

...I prefer to use my brain.
You may do whatever you want with your hat! :D
14th April 2007, 22:14
jjanicke

This will never end! Apparently your brain is smarter and more knowledgeable than F1 industry veterans, like Matchett.

And again, no offense, but I will defer to Matchett over your opinions on this matter.
14th April 2007, 22:40
ioan

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Originally Posted by jjanicke

This will never end! Apparently your brain is smarter and more knowledgeable than F1 industry veterans, like Matchett.

And again, no offense, but I will defer to Matchett over your opinions on this matter.

As you wish.

BTW, thanks for the compliments! :D

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