Boston Marathon Terrorist Attack

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Originally Posted by Robinho

but I found the police tweeting that justice had won rather distasteful, he has been arrested as a suspect and now justice can start, however obvious it is that these guys were the bombers there is a legal process to go through to serve justice.

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Those police should be jubilant; after all, one of them had been killed--defenselss--sitting in his car the previous evening. Moreover, the perp and his scum bother had been lobbing explosives at police during the chase, and had explosives strapped to their persons. If I was a cop and knew I had to face instant annhilation, I might be just a wee bit overjoyed when the ordeal was over.

As for this punk getting justuice, that is the lunacy that is the American legal system. We're too nice. If there were any sincere, effective justice, he would be sentenced tomorrow rather than getting to benefit from years of legal tap dancing between teams of lawyers that will keep him out of the chair for 20 years.

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Originally Posted by keysersoze

Those police should be jubilant; after all, one of them had been killed--defenselss--sitting in his car the previous evening. Moreover, the perp and his scum bother had been lobbing explosives at police during the chase, and had explosives strapped to their persons. If I was a cop and knew I had to face instant annhilation, I might be just a wee bit overjoyed when the ordeal was over.

As for this punk getting justuice, that is the lunacy that is the American legal system. We're too nice. If there were any sincere, effective justice, he would be sentenced tomorrow rather than getting to benefit from years of legal tap dancing between teams of lawyers that will keep him out of the chair for 20 years.

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I agree with the first part of this post and all of you previous post and while I understand the emotion of the last part of your post, innocence until proven guilty still means that for me, especially with the several cases of people who spent considerable time in prison that were exonerated of the crimes they were convicted of through DNA test in the recent years. From what I've seen so far, I have no doubt that these 2 are responsible for the events of the past week. But that doesn't mean I want to suspend one of the cornerstones of our justice system for a quick hanging. Even if he is sitting around in prison for years, I suspect his time spent won't be pleasant. Even with convicts, these crimes won't be looked upon favorably.

I don't doubt the police should be jubilant and very happy with what will be considered a success, despite the injuries of their own, but they have to understand their part in the process and uphold the justice system, to be better than those who would employ vigilante summary execution, and why i was disappointed with the phrases used on the Boston police's official Twitter feed

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Originally Posted by harsha

and not forget one particular Sunil Tripathy who was declared a terrorist by the media and the online community , i think the twitterati as well as reddit and similar sites need to introspect and realise the harm that would be done to the family and to the guy(if he's still alive) by accusing him of terrorism just cause you got a computer screen in front of you,

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A very good point and I am sure one that will be discussed in the aftermath of this episode.

Speculation as to the motives behind this act are meanless until facts emerge and I thought the online Witch hunt was trully shamefull and callous. Yet again, the Internet is used by single digit IQ idiots to persue mob rule. When will people learn to grow a bit of intelligence :(

I'm glad the perpetrators have been caught and hope this was just two disaffected individuals but time will tell.

I don't know if it was reported in the media but it was a nice gesture that flowers were laid at the gates of the US Embassy in Moscow immediately after the blast. Nice to know that sympathy against terrorism crosses borders.

Some very good posts above — and, I must say, the odd one whose justification of overly 'gung-ho' behaviour I find a bit concerning. I doubt the same would have been seen in a lot of other countries. Nor, I'm willing to bet, would the Czech Ambassador to any other country have been forced to issue a statement clarifying that the suspects were not from his country, but Chechnya.

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Originally Posted by DBell

I agree with the first part of this post and all of you previous post and while I understand the emotion of the last part of your post, innocence until proven guilty still means that for me, especially with the several cases of people who spent considerable time in prison that were exonerated of the crimes they were convicted of through DNA test in the recent years. From what I've seen so far, I have no doubt that these 2 are responsible for the events of the past week. But that doesn't mean I want to suspend one of the cornerstones of our justice system for a quick hanging. Even if he is sitting around in prison for years, I suspect his time spent won't be pleasant. Even with convicts, these crimes won't be looked upon favorably.

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I certainly agree that the accused should be deemed innocent until proven guilty--and that there have been instances of prisoners being wrongly-accused--but this guy is clearly guilty. To that end there needs to be swift justice; that is, thrown in prison without the satisfaction of witnessing your notoriety played out in the media, no interviews by the media. Said prisoner never sees their family again, never enjoys media or "entertainment" of any kind (except, perhaps, books). FWIW, while I deplore the millions of taxpayer dollars spend on trials for clearly-guilty violent criminals, I do not believe in capital punishment.

I do realize, of course, that I'm merely dreaming.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I doubt the same would have been seen in a lot of other countries.

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I doubt that is true. Indeed, if the same had happened in another country, Americans would be celebrating on that country's behalf. We were quite elated (as was most of the rest of the world) that the Israeli forces raided Entebbe Airport and ended that week-long siege that targeted Jews.

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Originally Posted by keysersoze

I doubt that is true. Indeed, if the same had happened in another country, Americans would be celebrating on that country's behalf. We were quite elated (as was most of the rest of the world) that the Israeli forces raided Entebbe Airport and ended that week-long siege that targeted Jews.

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I can say with much certainty that the reaction in the vast majority of European countries would have been much less 'gung-ho'. I think we're less impressed by violence, even if the ends justify the means.

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Originally Posted by keysersoze

I certainly agree that the accused should be deemed innocent until proven guilty--and that there have been instances of prisoners being wrongly-accused--but this guy is clearly guilty.

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A very dangerous statement to make without being in possession of the full facts. There still needs to be due judicial process. Summary justice is all very well for uncivilised countries, but not somewhere like the US.

I appreciate your stance on the death penalty, though.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I can say with much certainty that the reaction in the vast majority of European countries would have been much less 'gung-ho'. I think we're less impressed by violence, even if the ends justify the means.

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I just think you misunderstand the celebration. This duo killed and maimed people. The police tried to apprehend them peacefully. The bombers responded by throwing explosives out the window of a car stolen at gunpoint (after they killed a cop sitting in his police car), and opened fire on police with bombs strapped to their chests. Only 1 died in the ensuing gun battle, and some of his wounds were self-inflicted.

The survivor responded by driving over his dying brother to break through a police barricade (which endangered the police again). They shut down an entire city--think of the GDP lost that day--in order to protect the citizens, and managed to find and apprehend the 2nd guy without further loss of life.

The authorities gave his safety far more consideration than he gave the people of Boston.

The police are trying to END violence. The police and citizens were celebrating the END of violence. The decent people of this (and other countries) applaud the END of violence, not the violence itself.

Time and again, this country gets criticized by other countries because we deplore the human rights violations (and violence) others inflict upon their own people and we actually try to help them, you know, with our taxpayer dollars and the sacrifice of U.S. lives.

One can fuss over legal process all they want....however, there are cases where there is no question that someone did the crime and the only real issue is how they should be punished.

Obviously these two guys were not right in the head. The older brother probably led the younger brother down the wrong road. The news has just come out that the older brother had a wife and a three year old child. He appearently visited her on the weekend, but lived with his brother when not in this country. The news first showed her photos as being his girlfriend, but now they blur her face. That information was probably hidden to prevent the kind of savage internent attack and so forth that has happenned to several other people --- pretty pitiful stuff (example is one missing student Sunil Tripathy and the attack on the family).

Everyone who knew them in this country seems to be very stunned that they would have done such a thing. Poeple can come up with all sorts of armchair thoughts and opinions....even the PhD types, but I think none of them have a clue as to what really goes on in the mind of these types of people. They just have great ex posto facto explanations that sound good, but are worthless as to predicting anyone's future behavior.


Even now, the news is full of stuff about the FBI contacting the brother at the request of a foreign government and why they let him go without being tracked and watched. Well, this is suppose to be a free country and we just do not jail people because we think they might do something at some future time. Obviously, there are not the resources to track everyone who just might be a little strange and just might do something violent at some future date several years down the road.

Besides, that "why did the FBI not watch him" mentality is typical blame someone other than the criminal and hold someone else responsible and shift the blame to them.

I hope taking him alive provides more useful information about who else might be involved. Even now the news is discussing that he was not read his rights, and all these protections of providing him with a lawyer and appearance before a judge are not being utilized in hopes of getting more information about the others. While that information would not be admisible in a court proceeding against him, it would be against the others. Even if it was gotten as a result of abusive behavior or even torture, according to one recent Supreme Court opinion.

Besides, they don't need it as to him. The brothers were bragging about what they did in the bombings and shooting the police officer to the driver of the SUV that they carjacked. That bragging is admissible.

But at some point, the death penalty should be applied to him and carried out swiftly. No point in letting someone like that continue to breath, and so I agree with his uncle.


And if he is metally ill, all the more reason to be rid of him, since he can never be trusted again not to do something bad again.

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Am I the only one that finds images of cheering and mass celebrations in the streets profoundly disturbing?

Four people are dead. 25+ people are now amputees. A "lovely kid" 19-year old university student was one of the perpetrators, and no one knows why.

It is no cause for celebration, it's a ****ing tragedy. That's what it is.

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Originally Posted by keysersoze

I just think you misunderstand the celebration. This duo killed and maimed people. The police tried to apprehend them peacefully. The bombers responded by throwing explosives out the window of a car stolen at gunpoint (after they killed a cop sitting in his police car), and opened fire on police with bombs strapped to their chests. Only 1 died in the ensuing gun battle, and some of his wounds were self-inflicted.

The survivor responded by driving over his dying brother to break through a police barricade (which endangered the police again). They shut down an entire city--think of the GDP lost that day--in order to protect the citizens, and managed to find and apprehend the 2nd guy without further loss of life.

The authorities gave his safety far more consideration than he gave the people of Boston.

The police are trying to END violence. The police and citizens were celebrating the END of violence. The decent people of this (and other countries) applaud the END of violence, not the violence itself.

Time and again, this country gets criticized by other countries because we deplore the human rights violations (and violence) others inflict upon their own people and we actually try to help them, you know, with our taxpayer dollars and the sacrifice of U.S. lives.

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But take Norway and Anders Breivik. The authorities gave him access to full legal provision, conducted full legal process, and generally treated him as they would any other suspect. This is exactly how it should be. One of the main reasons I'm glad to live in a democracy is because we behave better in this regard than do countries less democratic in nature. I like to think countries such as Britain and America have nothing to learn from the likes of Saudi Arabia when it comes to dispensing justice.

And I resent deeply the notion that decent people, as you put it, would find anything to celebrate in these events. It's a distasteful spectacle.

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Originally Posted by Ranger

Am I the only one that finds images of cheering and mass celebrations in the streets profoundly disturbing?

Four people are dead. 25+ people are now amputees. A "lovely kid" 19-year old university student was one of the perpetrators, and no one knows why.

It is no cause for celebration, it's a ****ing tragedy. That's what it is.

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Exactly right. By all means praise the authorities for a job well done, but don't treat it as an excuse to party.

There is a difference between sense of relief and dancing in the streets, and this went a little too far.

On the other hand, much as in Texas, I can not recall so many politicans showing up with canned speeches consisting of mostly non-participants patting themselves on the back introducing themselves and repeating themselves with largely meaningless platitudes, including someone from the US Attorney's office (who would be the prosecuter after he was caught but otherwise had nothing to do with anything in the manhunt except show some face at pressers). One was enough, but almost a dozen??

hell, in Texas, Ricky Perry did not even bother to show up at the scene when not letting his face in the news opportunity go to waste.


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on the other hand, if it makes people feel better well, with the politicans leading the way....whatever.................

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Originally Posted by Ranger

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Am I the only one that finds images of cheering and mass celebrations in the streets profoundly disturbing?

Four people are dead. 25+ people are now amputees. A "lovely kid" 19-year old university student was one of the perpetrators, and no one knows why.

It is no cause for celebration, it's a ****ing tragedy. That's what it is.

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No, I think you are in good company: there are perhaps several out there who are more than willing to confuse this, or spin this, in order to take the requisite weekly pot shots at the United States. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by keysersoze

No, I think you are in good company: there are perhaps several out there who are more than willing to confuse this, or spin this, in order to take the requisite weekly pot shots at the United States. :rolleyes:

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What confusion or spin is required? The evidence is there for all to see. I cannot think of another country where the reaction to such a situation coming to an end is flag-waving celebration. Did Norwegians party when Breivik was convicted? I doubt it.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

What confusion or spin is required? The evidence is there for all to see. I cannot think of another country where the reaction to such a situation coming to an end is flag-waving celebration. Did Norwegians party when Breivik was convicted? I doubt it.

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No, but the leftys sure did whoop it up at Thatcher's death - look in the mirror my friend.

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Originally Posted by markabilly

Obviously these two guys were not right in the head. The older brother probably led the younger brother down the wrong road. The news has just come out that the older brother had a wife and a three year old child. He appearently visited her on the weekend, but lived with his brother when not in this country. The news first showed her photos as being his girlfriend, but now they blur her face. That information was probably hidden to prevent the kind of savage internent attack and so forth that has happenned to several other people --- pretty pitiful stuff (example is one missing student Sunil Tripathy and the attack on the family).

Everyone who knew them in this country seems to be very stunned that they would have done such a thing. Poeple can come up with all sorts of armchair thoughts and opinions....even the PhD types, but I think none of them have a clue as to what really goes on in the mind of these types of people. They just have great ex posto facto explanations that sound good, but are worthless as to predicting anyone's future behavior.

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I'm coming to the conclusion that the radical, jihadist arm of Islam is nothing more than a cult and not a religion at all. Some may argue the point but the proof is pretty plain.

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Originally Posted by Starter

No, but the leftys sure did whoop it up at Thatcher's death - look in the mirror my friend.

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Had I celebrated Thatcher's death, your puerile comment would be relevant. As I didn't, it's not.

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Originally Posted by keysersoze

No, I think you are in good company: there are perhaps several out there who are more than willing to confuse this, or spin this, in order to take the requisite weekly pot shots at the United States. :rolleyes:

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Keyserzone, I feel as though the US is always a target. Don't these people posting negatively regarding an incident completely unfamiliar in it's proximity to their daily lives and most probably or possibly knowing the officers involved after a day in which they were in total lock down,almost under siege.
Two gunfights, a carjacking, the murder of a 26 year old MIT police officer, a robbery of a convenience store, and I forgot, the kidnapping and robbery of the carjacking victim.
Then the real issue comes up with the fact that we have killed two bombers.

Yes, it's time to clap and cheer in celebration of a job well done. Don't target these people because they don't fit your view as to what you is appropriate.

I feel like clapping too.

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Originally Posted by Spafranco

Keyserzone, I feel as though the US is always a target. Don't these people posting negatively regarding an incident completely unfamiliar in it's proximity to their daily lives and most probably or possibly knowing the officers involved after a day in which they were in total lock down,almost under siege.
Two gunfights, a carjacking, the murder of a 26 year old MIT police officer, a robbery of a convenience store, and I forgot, the kidnapping and robbery of the carjacking victim.
Then the real issue comes up with the fact that we have killed two bombers.

Yes, it's time to clap and cheer in celebration of a job well done. Don't target these people because they don't fit your view as to what you is appropriate.

I feel like clapping too.

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Yet again, I can only bring up the response to similarly terrible events in other countries, which tends not to involve whooping and cheering. By all means praise those who brought it to a conclusion, but don't be vulgar about it.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Had I celebrated Thatcher's death, your puerile comment would be relevant. As I didn't, it's not.

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My puerile comment wasn't directed at you, rather at your comment "I cannot think of another country where the reaction to such a situation coming to an end is flag-waving celebration.".Obviously, I was easily able to think of another country where a similar situation occurred. You do use every opportunity possible to take pot shots at the US and that was what prompted the "look in the mirror comment". You do seem to love to dish it out, but have difficulty when on the receiving end.

I personally wouldn't be celebrating like that but let's not turn the discussion into the rights and wrongs of how people greet the news. Arguing over such things during a sensitive time will just cause a clash. The important thing is a terrorist has been caught and the families of those who have died and lost limbs can now start the long journey to finding closure. Hopefully this scumbag will have an awful long time to think about the hurt he has caused. Being only a teenager he'll probably spend at least 50 years behind bars. Still at the moment he has his life which is more than his victims have after he ended theirs without permission.

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Originally Posted by Starter

My puerile comment wasn't directed at you, rather at your comment "I cannot think of another country where the reaction to such a situation coming to an end is flag-waving celebration.".Obviously, I was easily able to think of another country where a similar situation occurred. You do use every opportunity possible to take pot shots at the US and that was what prompted the "look in the mirror comment". You do seem to love to dish it out, but have difficulty when on the receiving end.

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I have no difficulty at all being 'on the receiving end', because I simply dismiss your view entirely. You are not comparing like with like.

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Originally Posted by henners88

The important thing is a terrorist has been caught and the families of those who have died and lost limbs can now start the long journey to finding closure. Hopefully this scumbag will have an awful long time to think about the hurt he has caused. Being only a teenager he'll probably spend at least 50 years behind bars. Still at the moment he has his life which is more than his victims have after he ended theirs without permission.

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I agree. It is also worth noting that the fact of one of the perpetrators being caught alive ought to be very valuable in terms of ascertaining how this came about, not that those hollering 'USA' and waving flags presumably care two hoots for such things as understanding why things happen.

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Originally Posted by Spafranco

Keyserzone, I feel as though the US is always a target. Don't these people posting negatively regarding an incident completely unfamiliar in it's proximity to their daily lives and most probably or possibly knowing the officers involved after a day in which they were in total lock down,almost under siege.
Two gunfights, a carjacking, the murder of a 26 year old MIT police officer, a robbery of a convenience store, and I forgot, the kidnapping and robbery of the carjacking victim.
Then the real issue comes up with the fact that we have killed two bombers.

Yes, it's time to clap and cheer in celebration of a job well done. Don't target these people because they don't fit your view as to what you is appropriate.

I feel like clapping too.

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Thank you. Where's the "extreme like" button? ;)

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Originally Posted by Spafranco

Don't target these people because they don't fit your view as to what you is appropriate.

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You can't possibly apply that view with any consistency. Should Islamic extremists not be targeted because 'they don't fit your view as to what is appropriate', for example?

Cowardly and tragic as this has been, the "Big Brother" camera network system has come through again.

Face it,
our face is being recorded as we walk the streets and live our daily lives.

More and more will be installed for sure ....

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

You can't possibly apply that view with any consistency. Should Islamic extremists not be targeted because 'they don't fit your view as to what is appropriate', for example?

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Thankfully the number of terrorist attacks thankfully, is not as many as other countries but they tend to be of a more visceral quality. So excuse us for the actual temerity of celebrating one these anti American terrorists after a week of fear.
For one time, just once, why don't Europeans stop blaming the US of being vulgar in their reaction to the most horrendous atrocities. Why you always seem to feel like YOU are the victim when I post or certain others.
You are blatantly anti- America. Face up to it. We can take. We got Bin Laden after all. We got these freaks in five days.

USA :)

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I agree. It is also worth noting that the fact of one of the perpetrators being caught alive ought to be very valuable in terms of ascertaining how this came about, not that those hollering 'USA' and waving flags presumably care two hoots for such things as understanding why things happen.

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Not everyone is born equally endowed ( I know some will disagree but that is another topic), some understand things as they are some just do whatever the mass media tells them.

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Originally Posted by Spafranco

For one time, just once, why don't Europeans stop blaming the US of being vulgar in their reaction to the most horrendous atrocities.

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First of all, my condolences to the families of the victims of the bombing.

Secondly, what exactly is your problem with Europeans? Is it because we think differently about wars and human rights? This has been discussed to death around here with the conclusions we all know.

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Originally Posted by race aficionado

Cowardly and tragic as this has been, the "Big Brother" camera network system has come through again.

Face it,
our face is being recorded as we walk the streets and live our daily lives.

More and more will be installed for sure ....

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Exactly!
Rest assured this newest 'terrorist' act will result in an even more draconian set of laws and rules then what the initial Patriot act was about.
Reading some comment on US sites made me cringe. people would accept anything from the US government as long as they will be kept free of those 'bloody' immigrants. Obviously many people forgot their own roots real fast.

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Originally Posted by keysersoze

Thank you. Where's the "extreme like" button? ;)

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This is a balanced forum. No extreme stuff allowed.

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Originally Posted by Spafranco

For one time, just once, why don't Europeans stop blaming the US of being vulgar in their reaction to the most horrendous atrocities. Why you always seem to feel like YOU are the victim when I post or certain others.

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I certainly don't feel like I'm a 'victim' of any sort; rather, I'm expressing the view that such celebrations seem vulgar, belligerent, unthinking and inarticulate. Worse, those indulging in these celebrations or advocating them come across as delighting in being all these things.

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Originally Posted by Spafranco

You are blatantly anti- America.

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Ah, the most empty, anti-intellectual idea of them all — that the merest criticism of some Americans, not America, constitutes anti-Americanism. Who's playing the victim now?

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Originally Posted by ioan

Reading some comment on US sites made me cringe.

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Given that quite a few Americans confused Chechnya with the Czech Republic, I think we can be forgiven for claiming some degree of intellectual superiority over those individuals at least.

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Originally Posted by henners88

I personally wouldn't be celebrating like that but let's not turn the discussion into the rights and wrongs of how people greet the news. Arguing over such things during a sensitive time will just cause a clash. The important thing is a terrorist has been caught and the families of those who have died and lost limbs can now start the long journey to finding closure. Hopefully this scumbag will have an awful long time to think about the hurt he has caused. Being only a teenager he'll probably spend at least 50 years behind bars. Still at the moment he has his life which is more than his victims have after he ended theirs without permission.

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That he'll survive his injuries isn't a given. The hospital has said he is still alive, but can't release any updates on his condition because the FBI won't allow it. I got the impression that he is not out of the woods yet.

I don't think he will get 50 years or a sentence of that kind. Massachusetts doesn't have the death penalty, but he won't be prosecuted by the state. He'll be prosecuted by the Feds and they will go for the death penalty, I'm sure.

4th major Terror attack on US soil since she took over as head of the Dept of Homeland Security.


Somebody explain to me why Big Sis(Janet Napolitano) still has a job?

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Originally Posted by DBell

That he'll survive his injuries isn't a given. The hospital has said he is still alive, but can't release any updates on his condition because the FBI won't allow it. I got the impression that he is not out of the woods yet.

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Were he not to survive, I'm sure there would be more celebration, ignoring the fact that his dying would present far less opportunity to understand what motivated his actions and those of his brother. Merely saying that someone is simply 'evil', or words to that effect, is vacuous.