33 a day, 10 a stage and 100 the pass of all the rally (cant remember exactly but more or less something similar)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
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33 a day, 10 a stage and 100 the pass of all the rally (cant remember exactly but more or less something similar)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
he will not have a reason to crash his car this time ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kielder
If he doesn't hit a wall!! :uhoh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kielder
I see I'm not the only one to have thought that!!
• Adult admittance to individual forest stages reduced to £15* (from £20 in 2012).
• Day Passes re-introduced providing multiple stage access for just £33*.
• Extension of the 'Kids for a Quid' scheme to provide those aged between 9-15 years old with a four-day ticket giving access to all 24 stages for just £1*.
• Children aged 8 and under admitted free.
• Individual tickets for the RallyFest Stages priced at £25* with significant discounts available for families. The price for two adults and two children is £42* with an extra £1* for each additional child.
No mention of Shakedown or Service park charges yet.
These remaining tickets will go on sale on Friday 7 June
He doesn't need a reason. He can do it naturally, like in Poland 2009 ;) .Quote:
Originally Posted by makinen_fan
In my mind his crash in Great Orme back in 2011 was some kind of payback to Citroen for showing him the door. And for the rest of the rally he was driving like a grandma. I was extremely disappointed by him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kielder
Wales Rally of GB road program map https://twitter.com/planetemarcus/st...921280/photo/1
Except, of course when he won the Power Stage, just to emphasise to Citroen just what he had been doing ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by makinen_fan
I agree he crashed on purpose in Wales but why disappointed with that? Is it better to swallow it and fall back on his knees like for example Sordo?Quote:
Originally Posted by makinen_fan
I was disappointed in the sense that I wanted to see Ogier pushing hard in the stages for victory and fighting with Loeb, JML, Mikko. But he was just driving around like any other 2nd class driver.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSon
@Mintexmemory Thanks for reminding me that, forgot about that detail
QUOTE=Mintexmemory;1132800]Well that looks compact and testing - no doubt the FIA stewards will complain about the lack of 5 star accommodation, I'm genuinely excited. I have my accomodation booked at Halkyn for Wednesday, Thursday and Saturday nights and just the one in-car 'slumber' on Friday night, Dyfnant I think.
Ticket price news?[/QUOTE]
Halkyn indeed, where are you staying as I live in the next village !!
regarding the unannounced parts of the route I think people will be pleasantly surprised when they do find out in due course....must say exciting times for this part of Wales as we also have Rally of the tests starting from Mold two weeks before aswell...
This might sound like an odd request, but does anyone know where I might be able to see maps of the Gwydyr and Penmachno stages (or all the stages to be used)? They both pre-date me by some time; Gwydyr was last run twenty years before I was born, while Penmachno was discontinued when I was very young. I'm curious to see what they look like.
Google earth is possibly your best bet, there are different ways you can run the stages..
Yeah, I found the forest and the roads running through it, so it's a start.
Imagine there is video from the Cambrian rally of the Penmachno stage on Youtube and a map on the Cambrian organiser's website (I haven't looked).Quote:
Originally Posted by Prisoner Monkeys
Yep but Honi soit qui mal y pense. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
Halkyn indeed, where are you staying as I live in the next village !!Quote:
Originally Posted by Brynmor Pierce
regarding the unannounced parts of the route I think people will be pleasantly surprised when they do find out in due course....must say exciting times for this part of Wales as we also have Rally of the tests starting from Mold two weeks before aswell...[/QUOTE]
Travelodge!! - Booked before the route was announced I'm there on the Wednesday, Thursday and Saturday nights. £64 total!!! Many years ago I worked for Courtaulds who owned the Halkyn Haffren mining company which was a water source for their viscose plant (which I had to audit a number of years after the plant had shut down and become a business park) - I also stayed there in 2011.
Maybe a beer one evening? ;)
Regarding the unannounced route I am interested to know which locations but on the days in question I'll still prefer the forests or the Orme. BTW I understand that Penmachno on Sunday will be the power stage (semi-official source)
Looking at Google Maps, Gwydyr looks pretty interesting. Some open bits in there and some in the trees. Think i'll go in there on the Sunday. Not a fan of Penmachno since my last visit on the 2011 Cambrian Rally. Very narrow and rough stage.
'Making the event more attractive to the wider audience now within easy visiting distance of the rally, both Saturday's and Sunday's schedule will include a family-oriented 'spectator stage' designed to bring the breath-taking action closer to the public. Details of these two very accessible venues will be confirmed in the coming weeks.'
Anyone have any ideas what/where these are likely to be ? Stately homes, race-tracks, street-stages ?
I seem to recall the organisers saying something about running a parklands stage, the kind they used to se in the 1980s to let people get close to the cars. They were very popular, even fi the drivers hated them.
However, I think it will be a brand-new stage, rather than an old one revived.
There is a lot of rumour circulating but the most common ones are for 2 stately home / parkland surrounding a national monument - type stages. If the one that I've heard of for the double run on the Sunday comes off it will be mostly tarmac with short 'cut' sections across the pasture. Clearly this will mean the tyre choices will be problem if the proposed schedule of SS / Gwrdyr / Penmachno / SS / Great Orme is followed - 2 gravel, 3 tarmac.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prisoner Monkeys
Powys Castle and Kinmel Hall are expected to be announced as the spectator stages :) .
Not exactly close to the big urban areas of N.England or W.Midlands ... :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Kielder
I was hoping for the stately homes around Cheshire or Oulton Park... :rolleyes:
Kinmel hall is 20 minutes from Chester/1hr 20 from Manchester (tops) and 35-40 mins from Oulton Park/Liverpool...all on dual carriageway? Powys castle is around an hour from Birmingham/40 mins from Telford....
Will everybody just shut up about Powis Castle until it is confirmed. Any NT property needs the approval of the board of Trustees before it can be hired out. These people don't inherently 'get' rallying so it would be prudent to keep a low profile untilthe venue is in the bag or they might just get complaints from NIMBY NT members!
It was mentioned on Motorsport News & Autosport. I wrote the information here because there are many people on this forum interested in these stages. I'm sorry if I did something wrong. This post and the previous one can be deleted. :|
Not directing any anger at you K - Sorry if it sounded like that. As you say, it is now public domain so I'm not so far self-absorbed to start deleting posts. Fact of the matter is all the leaks in advance of the announcement just shows how uncontrollable the grapevine is!! Once certain people know a piece of interesting info they don't seem to be able to rest until it's gone viral. Coe should've prepared an embago announcement for the motor sport press and that would've stopped rumours appearing in the press and being spread as fact. As far as I know (and have done for six weeks) Powis is only one of a number of National Trust properties under consideration. It took years for the NT to accept summer rock concerts in addition to their traditional classical events, just a few NT board members get lobbied by the locals who won't want the rally invasion and the whole proposal could be vetoed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kielder
It isn't Powis until it appears on the WRGB website! Keep your fingers crossed (even though I won't spectate there myself it will keep a lot of tourists away from the forests ;) . On a bright note Kinmel is nailed on as they need all the revenue they can get!
Got to admit I've never heard of Powys Castle or Kinmel Hall before ...
In the old days they used the likes of Chatsworth & Sutton Park because I think everyone knew them and where they were.
I'm sure real rally fans will travel but if you want the general public to get interested they have to be closer and well-known.
I believe the plan is for these spectator stages to be entirely new stages, the idea being that they will be a modern take on an old concept. Or something else that is adver-spin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
The difficulty faced by the organisers is that the type of Stately Home that used to be an essential part of the GB WRC event is a very rare commodity in mid and north Wales. Kinmel estate is one of the few not in National Trust ownership! All of the stages that used to run in England (Racecourses, Stately Homes, Safari Parks and Theme Park estates) were all in private ownership or (as in the case of Sutton Park) were under control of a local authority that wanted a tourism input. Margam park fits that profile but there just aren't many equivalents elsewhere, Kinmel was in a single family ownership until last year and not open to the public. When they couldn't afford the upkeep it was sold to a company for conversion to a hotel. Clearly this is a revenue stream for them while they are progressing the conversion. It has a number of parkland roads which can be combined with the estate woodland tracks (cover for deer) to produce a decent stage. I f you look at the OS map of Powys Castle there is not sufficient existing road to make a decent stage so some artificial grass tracking will be needed and that could be the sticking point. As Powis (and virtually all similar properties in this part of Wales) is under the National Trust ownership anything that causes damage to the grounds is likely to be opposed by parts of their admin not connected with marketing. It has been said that the NT is run solely as a meeting club for the aging upper middle class in the UK , as I have said before, not the natural friends of rallying when it might interfere with their genteel pursuitsQuote:
Originally Posted by Prisoner Monkeys
Is it the case that they want all the stages to be in Wales and not going into England at all ?
It is still Wales Rally GB after all ...
Absolutely, got to be 100% xxxxx (insert any non-perjurative term to describe the adjective for matters concerning the extreme westerly prominence of the island of Great Britain.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
It actually needn't be like that - for example, next years Tour de France will have 3 stages in the UK, backed by 'Welcome to Yorkshire' - with stage 3 running from Cambridge - London....Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
They need to look at the 'bigger picture'.
Personally, as Jerry Willaims says in his latest MaxRally column - a new sponsor really needs to be found - and newer 'non Welsh' stages can be used; which can only improve the event.
However, what we have this year looks a huge improvement - time will tell whether the changes are a success.
Yes it would be great to find a new sponsor prepared to take Rally GB back to the new / old stages - has Jerry W found a magic lamp? Remember 2011 was meant to be the year of the return to northern Britain - it didn't happen and as I see it the economic situation remains the same regarding sponsors queuing up to be associated with rallying in the UK. I think the best we can hope for is that the proposed event is a big success; a) to safeguard the UK round in the calender and b) to encourage future innovation / new sponsors.
Oh dear Phil, I expect a whole-hearted apology next time I see you!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
There, fixed that for you ;) (could have been worse though Rhod :) )
How many pints of whole-hearted apology will it take?
Rhod you big wimpy Taff ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fly_Half
Kinmel Park & Chirk Castle confirmed !
Just when I go and think they go it right, the put Dyfnant 1 & 2 on different days!! WTF, this is stupid! Can someone please tell me if there is a point to this?