Humanity

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Originally Posted by Zico

If there are so many other 'species' out there.. and that intelligent, I'm just really disappointed that they haven't bothered to pop by this wee planet to say hello. ;)

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Because there is a sign just ouside our atmosphere with three letters on it;

NWS (Not Worth Saving);

So all the intelligent ones simply wind the window back up and carry on past '3rd rock from the sun'.....

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Maybe the survival of the fittest theory will see single celled organisms rule the world.
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Just because you don't see them doesn't mean they don't already rule it... They've been surviving pretty well since they came into being a few billion years ago and even made it habitable for us oxygen breathers :p

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Originally Posted by ioan

Yet they spent more time outside the office then any of us do, eh? So who lived more?

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How much leisure could they afford themselves, after sorting out the basics (food and water) ?
When did they go into retirement?
how many of the billions of people in the world work in offices? take your highly educated west-european glasses off ! :p

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Originally Posted by ioan

For a donks you read too much!
Anyway, I am curious about the percentage of heard diseased mummies. Any ideas?

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too much playstation in their offices ? :p

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Originally Posted by donKey jote

Just because you don't see them doesn't mean they don't already rule it... They've been surviving pretty well since they came into being a few billion years ago and even made it habitable for us oxygen breathers :p

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We have alot to thank our microscopic friends for

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Originally Posted by donKey jote

How much leisure could they afford themselves, after sorting out the basics (food and water) ?
When did they go into retirement?
how many of the billions of people in the world work in offices? take your highly educated west-european glasses off ! :p

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When will I go into retirement? Never! Talk about evolution. :\

Unless you think about a desert, for any specific reason, water was never difficult to come buy, nor were fruits and wild animals to provide for food, and if sometimes they ate less at least their body fat levels were lower.

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Originally Posted by ioan

When will I go into retirement? Never! Talk about evolution. :\

Unless you think about a desert, for any specific reason, water was never difficult to come buy, nor were fruits and wild animals to provide for food, and if sometimes they ate less at least their body fat levels were lower.

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Then why nowadays still there are people starving? :crazy:

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Originally Posted by ioan

When will I go into retirement? Never! Talk about evolution. :\

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we're talking about humanity as a whole, not about 1 person called Ioan :)

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Originally Posted by ioan

When will I go into retirement? Never!

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Ioane, Ioane....
Aren't you the same guy who started this thread?
http://www.motorsportforums.com/chit...-age-80-a.html

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Originally Posted by donKey jote

we're talking about humanity as a whole, not about 1 person called Ioan :)

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Rest assured, it applies to all those who aren't retiring withing the next 10 years or so.

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Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo

Ioane, Ioane....
Aren't you the same guy who started this thread?
http://www.motorsportforums.com/chit...-age-80-a.html

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And what changed since that thread? Nothing, we are all going to work a lifetime because of the stupid system.

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Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo

Then why nowadays still there are people starving? :crazy:

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Good question, unless you refer to those living in desert regions, which I have specifically excluded in my post above.

Another aspect of Humanity that I was thinking about today when seeing the new pope being introduced was religion.

Lets not get into which is the best religion or why one is right and others are wrong. I was thinking about what it is in Humans that makes them feel the need for religion.

I assume it comes from when we began asking questions about the world around us. When we rose above the other species in terms of grasping what our place in the world was. Once that happens questions are asked and with a lack of answers then the next step is to come up with the most likely solution and one which makes you feel safe.

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Originally Posted by steveaki13

Lets not get into which is the best religion or why one is right and others are wrong.

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None is better and they are all wrong anyway.

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Originally Posted by steveaki13

I was thinking about what it is in Humans that makes them feel the need for religion.

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Can't help you on this one.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Can't help you on this one.

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It is a tough one, but it does seem lack of knowledge see's humans need to understand through the easiest to understand solution.

You have to remember everything which seems obvious to us now, did not exsist in our brains back in the day. So its understandable why people formulated Religion.

Also it seems nigh on 100% would be religious back in earlier times and as knowledge grows the percentage of relgious followers decreases.

This could be the answer and the dodgy aspects of religion (hate, intolerance) could come to an end.


Heres hoping.

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Originally Posted by steveaki13

Another aspect of Humanity that I was thinking about today when seeing the new pope being introduced was religion.

Lets not get into which is the best religion or why one is right and others are wrong. I was thinking about what it is in Humans that makes them feel the need for religion.

I assume it comes from when we began asking questions about the world around us. When we rose above the other species in terms of grasping what our place in the world was. Once that happens questions are asked and with a lack of answers then the next step is to come up with the most likely solution and one which makes you feel safe.

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Now I'm not a practicant orthodox but I still believe in God and follow traditions without going to church.
In my case religion can’t offer solutions to questions related to the material world. However it may give me some peace to my troubled mind and helps me to continue to believe in the moral values in which I was raised.

To set the record straight I don’t mind being ridiculed for my faith because after all I’m neither better nor worse than any of you.

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Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo

Now I'm not a practicant orthodox but I still believe in God and follow traditions without going to church.
In my case religion can’t offer solutions to questions related to the material world. However it may give me some peace to my troubled mind and helps me to continue to believe in the moral values in which I was raised.

To set the record straight I don’t mind being ridiculed for my faith because after all I’m neither better nor worse than any of you.

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If religion helps you and gives you the guidance you desire then that's what its all about and its fab you find comfort in that :)

I seek my comfort and guidance through close family and friends and was always taught that 'a problem shared is a problem halved'. I try to analyse things, possibly too much when things get tough and we all need the help of others be it in person or from something written down.

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Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo

Then why nowadays still there are people starving? :crazy:

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There's not a good enough profit motive for anyone to care about them.

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Originally Posted by Rollo

There's not a good enough profit motive for anyone to care about them.

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True, but as Ioan said, there are enough fruits and wild animals to provide for food.

Just read ( as a working task of course :devil :) our law of hunting and was amused to see that among other methods hunting is permitted with bows and arrows so why don't the hungry people go "back to nature"?

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Originally Posted by henners88

I seek my comfort and guidance through close family and friends and was always taught that 'a problem shared is a problem halved'. I try to analyse things, possibly too much when things get tough and we all need the help of others be it in person or from something written down.

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Hmm…I also do it but I’m not sure I always get the best advice.
Friends are like “ you should do things in order to be well for you, you should know and follow your own interest, etc, “. They help me to understand the rules to survive but I’m aware that if I follow them I’d become a horrible insensitive person – which in fact I am because whether I like it or not I have to survive and “evolve”. :devil:

An interesting aspect of humanity is the pack mentality. We are of course a social creature and that seems to go deeper than many of us think.

I was watching some coverage of some riots and was thinking about the pack mentality that seems to develop.

One or two individuals often (not always) in a certain setting seem to be reasonable people and yet once in a larger group are willing to partake in violent attacks.

I was watching a programme a few months ago, where they did an interesting experiment.
They had a group of 100 people and put them into the centre of a room. They instructed the group that the two doors of the room were North and South. Next they told everyone, that when a buzzer sounded they were to run as fast as possible out of the North door only, In the first experiment every person ran to the North and escaped.

Then 5 people who were planted pre experiment, had been told to run to the South door despite the instruction to run towards the North door.

When the experiment was repeated it ended that only about 65 had gone to the North Door, but 35ish went to the South door.

The basic idea being, that despite having in your own head an instruction to follow (i.e - North Door), when the pack mentality kicks in people just follow the nearest person to them and lose all sense of which door is which and that without thinking they heard like sheep.

I found this interesting that despite the independence we have, we still flock when in a chaotic situation.

Just an interesting thought. I suppose the same goes with pressure from friends and family. The general situation that kids are talked into smoking or drinking because friends say its cool. Its natural that people conform.

Generally people don't differ much from the main stream image. Just the way we are wired I suppose.

That reminds me the riot we had at work a few years ago. I attended even if I wasn't that desperate and was a rebel without a cause. :p

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Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo

That reminds me the riot we had at work a few years ago. I attended even if I wasn't that desperate and was a rebel without a cause. :p

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See case in point. :p

You realise you were exhibiting Sheep like behaviour. :p

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Originally Posted by steveaki13

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Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo

That reminds me the riot we had at work a few years ago. I attended even if I wasn't that desperate and was a rebel without a cause. :p

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See case in point. :p

You realise you were exhibiting Sheep like behaviour. :p

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Maybe
But ironically that experience changed me into a fearless revolutionary.
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The world has become a massive sh!thole and is spinning out of control. I see no correction in sight. The havenots will continue to spew kids out like rabbits in heat and demand the haves pay the bill. In the end the only country possible of any decency will probably be New Zealand if they control immigration. Maybe the Aussies too. The rest of us are fuked and fuked good.

A big earthquake with the strength of 8.1 on the Richter scale hit the Middle East . Two million Muslims died and over a million were injured.

Iraq and Iran are totally ruined and the governments don't know where to start with providing help to rebuild. The rest of the world is in shock.

The USA is sending troops to help................

Saudi Arabia is sending oil...................

Latin American countries are sending supplies..................

New Zealand is sending sheep, cattle and food crops................

The Asian countries are sending labour to assist in rebuilding the Infrastructure..................

Canada is sending medical teams and supplies......................

GREAT BRITAIN...............not to be outdone.................is sending two million replacement Muslims.

God Bless GREAT BRITAIN ....

Boy, those Brits are smart...!!

wow

I was talking about this issue with Gadjo on the Word Games forum.

I was saying how much I admire top level surgeons. I know people like to moan about doctors and as such, but back when my mother had her strokes the skill and pressure that the brain surgeons we talked to, are under is amazing.

Its one of the wonderful things about humanity. The individuals ability to learn and practice such an amazingly precise procedure.
I personally cannot imagine having someone's life in my hands and opening up their skull and being so calm and precise as to be able to repair damage in said brain, yet while knowing that one wrong move will end that persons life. They then do this many times a day or week.

They are one of the best examples of what humanity is and can be. Simply incredible.

Hmmm. We also have good doctors here. The difference is that they don't do these things cos they have humanitarian feelings but only for a great amount of money. ;(
No money - no life.

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Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo

Hmmm. We also have good doctors here. The difference is that they don't do these things cos they have humanitarian feelings but only for a great amount of money. ;(
No money - no life.

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That is sad to hear. That is not how it should be. I suppose that is a bad side of humanity. Greed.

I hope things can improve in your country. Everyone deserves a decent healthcare system. :(

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Originally Posted by steveaki13

I was saying how much I admire top level surgeons. I know people like to moan about doctors and as such, but back when my mother had her strokes the skill and pressure that the brain surgeons we talked to, are under is amazing.

Its one of the wonderful things about humanity. The individuals ability to learn and practice such an amazingly precise procedure.
I personally cannot imagine having someone's life in my hands and opening up their skull and being so calm and precise as to be able to repair damage in said brain, yet while knowing that one wrong move will end that persons life. They then do this many times a day or week.

They are one of the best examples of what humanity is and can be. Simply incredible.

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Depends on the patient. They wouldn't have to be nearly as precise working on me. I've got plenty of extra room in there for a wide margin of surgical error.

It seems to me that Homo Sapiens have become Human, through intelligence that no other animal on earth has ever had.


The reward for this intelligence is to be so inquisitive, that they learn more and more about the world.

As they learn about the world they Create Religion to explain the unexplainable, and through this learning and religion, they hate others more and more because of their views of the world differ to their own.


The increase in knowledge and intelligence causes divides between peoples, and creates nations that then split.


Then wars between these nations begin, which drives each side to gain the upper hand on the other.


They seek more knowledge to create bigger and worse weapons than ever before.

These nations then have bigger and bigger wars, until the threat of a war is enough to stop a war itself.


Then finally stalemate and a decision by Humanity is needed.


Do Humans become intelligent enough to leave wars behind them forever or does that war finally happen.

Then the price of being the most intelligent creature ever to have existed on this earth, is to potentially have a war that wipes everything off the face of the planet.


Maybe this is why, no intelligent life from outer space has ever reached Earth.


Maybe to achieve that level of space travel, intelligent life would need to be so advanced that it never happens.


Maybe Intelligent life wipes itself out before it gets to that stage of evolution.


Thus the price of Human Intelligence maybe to realise what we are, and destroy everything we have ever been.

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Originally Posted by steveaki13

It seems to me that Homo Sapiens have become Human, through intelligence that no other animal on earth has ever had.

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Creation that's called.

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Originally Posted by steveaki13

The reward for this intelligence is to be so inquisitive, that they learn more and more about the world.

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Fall from grace.

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Originally Posted by steveaki13

As they learn about the world they Create Religion to explain the unexplainable, and through this learning and religion, they hate others more and more because of their views of the world differ to their own.

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The Law is given and duly ignored or misinterpreted by people.

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Originally Posted by steveaki13

The increase in knowledge and intelligence causes divides between peoples, and creates nations that then split.

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Tower of Babel.

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Originally Posted by steveaki13

Then wars between these nations begin, which drives each side to gain the upper hand on the other.

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House divided.

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Originally Posted by steveaki13

They seek more knowledge to create bigger and worse weapons than ever before.

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They disregard the "Thou shalt not kill" commandment.

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Originally Posted by steveaki13

These nations then have bigger and bigger wars, until the threat of a war is enough to stop a war itself.

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They elect neo-heathen (nazi) or downright godless (commie) governments and sort themselves out.

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Originally Posted by steveaki13

Then finally stalemate and a decision by Humanity is needed.

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They still don't get the point and switch to the local scale of killing each other instead of global.

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Originally Posted by steveaki13

Do Humans become intelligent enough to leave wars behind them forever or does that war finally happen.

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Intelligent enough to delegate killing to drones. Sending drones is not real warfare, is it?

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Originally Posted by steveaki13

Then the price of being the most intelligent creature ever to have existed on this earth, is to potentially have a war that wipes everything off the face of the planet.

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That's the price of making a big mistake in the very beginning, then ignoring all warnings and offers of help and then rejecting the ultimate sacrifice.

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Originally Posted by steveaki13

Maybe this is why, no intelligent life from outer space has ever reached Earth.

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A certain guy has, albeit not from the outer space or any physical space at ll, and made a few valid points. Again, some opted to disregard those.

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Originally Posted by steveaki13

Maybe to achieve that level of space travel, intelligent life would need to be so advanced that it never happens.

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It will. That is explicitly stated in the same sources. That "life" is very "intelligent" if you could use such earthly terms to describe it.

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Originally Posted by steveaki13

Maybe Intelligent life wipes itself out before it gets to that stage of evolution.

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It wipes its sins out or it wipes itself out.

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Originally Posted by steveaki13

Thus the price of Human Intelligence maybe to realise what we are, and destroy everything we have ever been.

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That's the price of being wise (or intelligent) fools and ignoring the main thing while paying a lot of attention to petty details.

Easy stuff. I'm off to finish my coffee.

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Originally Posted by Rudy Tamasz

That's the price of being wise (or intelligent) fools and ignoring the main thing while paying a lot of attention to petty details.

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:s

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Originally Posted by EuroTroll

Well, in Europe the population has already pretty much stabilised. It's declining in fact in many countries, including my own. I'm sure the same will happen elsewhere, eventually.

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The white man will vanish from the face of the earth via genocide and it will be no fault but our own. Unless some plague balances the scales again, which I doubt.

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Originally Posted by Roamy

The white man will vanish from the face of the earth via genocide and it will be no fault but our own. Unless some plague balances the scales again, which I doubt.

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A plague of stupidity and venal ignorance has already infected many right-wing Americans, so it could happen.

Nice to see you back here, BDunnell. It's been a while since we had a good conversation.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

A plague of stupidity and venal ignorance has already infected many right-wing Americans, so it could happen.

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And they've spread their disease all around to world to other equally stupid and ignorant people via radio and TV and the inter-net..
Coupla good examples

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/conten...-homosexuality

Rick Wiles: 'Ebola Could Solve America's Problems With Atheism And Homosexuality' - See more at: http://www.rightwingwatch.org/conten....sfZNFTck.dpuf

Rick Wiles: 'Ebola Could Solve America's Problems With Atheism And Homosexuality'


Submitted by Brian Tashman on Wednesday, 8/6/2014 4:10 pm

Right before chatting with a Republican congressman on his on “Trunews” program yesterday, End Times radio host Rick Wiles said that an outbreak of Ebola in the U.S. might actually be a good thing if it ends up giving an “attitude adjustment” to all the gays and atheists, along with people who use pornography or have had an abortion, who will die if they aren’t “protected by God.”
“Now this Ebola epidemic can become a global pandemic and that’s another name for plague. It may be the great attitude adjustment that I believe is coming,” he said. “Ebola could solve America’s problems with atheism, homosexuality, sexual promiscuity, pornography and abortion.”
“If Ebola becomes a global plague, you better make sure the blood of Jesus is upon you, you better make sure you have been marked by the angels so that you are protected by God. If not, you may be a candidate to meet the Grim Reaper.”




- See more at: http://www.rightwingwatch.org/conten....sfZNFTck.dpuf

How can an educated person believe that?

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Originally Posted by D-Type

How can an educated person believe that?

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Ah, but you assume first that they are educated and second that, even if they've been to school, they have a functioning brain.

I do take exception however with BDunnell's assertion that "many" right wingers subscribe to that kind of thing and challenge him to define "many" as used here.

What we are seeing in Gaza and now Iraq still makes you wonder what Humanity is and how religion seems to give Humanity as reason to hate.

I mean I know people can hate whatever, but religion does seem to cause so much large scale conflict.