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Another thought is that back then they were true gentlemen and there was probably less to win/lose compared with today's F1 and the huge effort and money that goes into it. Just like kids, todays drivers are not that well behaved anymore :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
hehehe, it's always funny when someone tries to say it wasn't Schuey's fault.
It's even funnier when people try and say it was his fault ;) lol
The collision would never have happened in the manner it did, had Schuey been a point behind Hill. The Jerez episode confirmed it. The difference between Hill and Villeneuve, was that Hill was alongside because Schumacher was slower than he normally would've been. Hill was confronted with an unusual situation and had to go for the gap (regardless of which side was open) he otherwise wouldn't have. Villeneuve was attempting a legitimate passing move ( a fairly bold one) and had the momentum to withstand Schuey's cheap, sneaky jab. Hill was forced to slow down and had no momentum to force his way through.
If nothing else, it's undeniable that Schuey choked at the previous corner! An often forgotten fact, but yes he did!
I can't imagine what Max Mosley was thinking when he got involved with Nazi hookers, or had a Nazi orgy or whatever it was. I'm really surprised that the FIA members didn't just toss him out on his ear right then and there. I'll never understand how he had a shred of credibility with anyone after that.
It's not the sex, and it's not even the hooker angle. I just find it pretty sick and disgusting that not only did Max live out a Nazi fantasy, but even worse the FIA let him keep his position. Even more amazing is that Max didn't have enough dignity to resign. In the end, the biggest shame of the whole thing must rest not on Mosley himself, but on the sports as a whole for doing absolutely nothing about it. I find it incredible that no one seemed to care.
On the track, I found all of Schumacher's chopping, blocking and swerving took the sport right out of F1. I did not mind Schumacher winning, or even dominating. He was clearly the most talented driver of his generation, which is what makes it so appalling he had to behave that way. He didn't need to do it. If he had just raced harder and stayed clean I'm pretty sure he would have won almost as much.
I'de rather have five, or even four championships that I won cleanly instead that seven I won dirty. Hell, I'de rather have one of Mika Hakkinen's championships than all of Schumachers.
I thought the Nazi element with Max's scandal was a News of the World spin? Max denied there was any Nazi connotations and I far as I am aware there was no evidence to suggest he was lying. I think the women were in uniforms, but not Nazi ones. I don't think it tainted the sport, but more embarrassed a man and showed what a sad world we live in where newspapers will sink as low as possible to get a story.
Mosley either sued or is currently suing google to have the images removed from their search programming, so it is hard to find much on it any more.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
http://guardianlv.com/2013/11/google-or ... ty-images/
I remember at the time it was reported they were playing out a concentration camp "fantasy" (if that's what they want to call it) and checking Max for lice.
I'm pretty sure you can't even get anything like that any more. In the model car industry, you can't get any of the auto union cars with swastikas on them. whether or not that is a good thing is another argument.Quote:
I think the women were in uniforms, but not Nazi ones.
As far as whether they were or were not Nazi uniforms, so much has been pulled off of the net that it is hard to tell, and so much of it was photoshopped anyway that it is impossible to prove one way or the other.
While I agree with what you've said about the media, I'm not so sure they made this stuff up.Quote:
I don't think it tainted the sport, but more embarrassed a man and showed what a sad world we live in where newspapers will sink as low as possible to get a story.
Perhaps what set all the speculation up is that Max' father was Sir Oswald Mosley, leader of the British Fascist party.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Mosley
It seems like the previous posters covered most of the based pretty well. Good reading. I chuckled a bit..
In addition:
Senna and Prost crashing into each other in 1989 and 1990.
Jean-Marie Balestre's Prost favoritism.
F#@!$ing about with the points system to artificially manipulate the championship!
Leave the points alone you morons!!!
Agreed, vigorous opposition to this move appeared in several motorsport forums. Edd Straw at Autosport did an interesting analysis of previous years.
The system would strongly punish any driver dnf'g the final race. Thus Villeneuve would be champion in 1979, Ickx in 1970, and the ultimate absurdity Fangio in 1953. Fangio's 16 points at Monza, to Ascari's 0 would give him the title despite despite winning once to 5 for Ascari's. In case you think this was because of the few races, and points available, the same calculations, only proportionally bigger could apply in 2014. Thus, Vettel going into Abu Dhabi with 49 points clear of Alonso, could lose to him by dropping out, while Alonso won. One wonders if F1 honchos are capable of doing such analysis, or even care.
This in addition to Abu Dhabi being worth twice the importance of Spa or Silverstone, and one is forced to conclude F1 has simply lost the plot on this one. All for improved TV ratings? Just what is the purpose of GP racing these days?
I suppose the double points will lead to someone repeating Suzuka 1990 tactics which will no doubt make good theatre, increase the TV advertising revenues, and ....
I didn't like it when they changed from 9 points to 10 points to win. I also hated it when you had to drop a race. I don't know what's wrong with having a straight up fight like the old days.Quote:
Originally Posted by anfield5
Of course, in the old days the sport was what was most important, not how much money Benie was raking in. I read where Bernie wants the last three races to be double points, making it virtually impossible for anyone to clinch early. Hell, may as well use nascar's chase formula.
You know, it's all about the show, attendance, ratings, and all about the money in motorsports now days. It's sickening. You would think Formula One could stay above all of that and be about the sport instead.