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Steve Røkland will try to win the R2 class in a Fiesta
Walters Arena not Sweet Lamb :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by catty
I see the top 3 finishers in the BRC will get a free entry for Rally GB. Been saying this should have been the way for years now!
Wales Rally GB : The Road to Wales
Just had a look at your pics Ally - very good!
God I miss the 306 Cosworth!!!
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Thank you :)
Yea I miss that V6 scream so much! Going to a BTRDA rally is just not the same without it!
And we wonder why Rallying in the UK struggles - there is one example. The most popular car around, and so they ban it!
Another example; the entries and different events in the (Bulldog) Rally of North Wales - clear as mud. Also, I've seen adverts and previews for the BTCC opener - what about the BRC opener?
entry list
https://www.rallies.info/webentry/20...ies.php?type=s
good number of DS3's there.
To be honest I had totally forgotten about the Bulldog until asked a couple days ago if I was going! Rallying needs to get it into its head that it has to get the word out there its self, spend money advertising to make money and get people in!Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
As for the banning of the Cosworth well it still makes no sense and makes me just as angry...
I cant stand the Ds3 such a dull car to look at, and the noise...well I make better ones after a curry!Quote:
Originally Posted by MJW
They sound like a Diesel!Quote:
Originally Posted by Allyc85
Unfortunately this looks or rather sounds like being the future. Renault are developing a new Clio R3 and its a 1.6 turbo too. Lets hope it sounds better than Citroens effort......
R3T will always sound dull. With that size of restrictor they run in really low rpm. There's quite nothing to do against that :(
But I don't agree the whole car is dull. The sound yes but the appearance of the car not, speaking about asphalt precisely.
Imo the R3T should have such big restrictor that it would have the same power as the other R3 cars (Renault & Honda). Then the sound would be better.
That's nonsense because thanks to the torque the engine already is powerful enough. DS3 R3T is the fastest R3 now...
Rally North Wales - Pricing
Hmmm.....
It’s not nonsense because I was not speaking which one is faster but the power. 250 – 260 ps is more than 235 ps.
dont underestimate torque at rally cars.
I’m not underestimating the torque. It’s important especially on low revs but this discussion belongs more to the Rally car tech stuff than BRC.
And that's what is wrong with Your statement. Of course the value is higher but that doesn't mean the engine is better. If You enlarge restrictor You would make R3T very much faster than R3C or R3D and that's fundamentally wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by OldF
Do You know how the power curve look like? What is important for You is the area bellow power curve in rpm range which is practically used (for 1st gear it's almost whole rpm range). Naturally the best shape of power curve (for maximizing the area bellow it) is horizontal line (constant power) and that is what restricted turbo engines are close to and what naturally aspirated units can never reach. That's why it is not possible to compare rally engines only by the peak power.
The only things I’ve said is that with bigger restrictor the R3T would have more power and better sound and that I’m not underestimating the effect of torque. I haven’t take a position whether the R3T would be superior compared to R3 cars with bigger restrictor. So which point in my statement is wrong?
I agree with that if the bigger restrictor makes the R3T superior against R3 isn’t fair. Then just continue to listen the dull sound of a R3T car.
Let's make the restrictor bigger! Just for the sound... Everything (gearbox, driveshaft etc) is made for the power the DS3 R3T is delivering now, but that's not important, the sound is more important! :) DS3 R3T's are very spectacular cars, except for their sound (but Evo's aren't better, aren't they?). The only problem of the car is the price-tag and the running cost I'm afraid... In France we can see that almost nobody is continuing with DS3 R3, everyone moved to the 208 R2 Cup, which is cheaper...
How the hell can they (try to) charge so much?????Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
I wont be paying!
Looks like they wont be getting anyones money - its cancelledQuote:
Originally Posted by catty
I hope this was an april fool :confused:
Not an april fools... Competitors also received a message telling that the rally is cancelled. Of course there's always a possibility, but I think this kind of april fools is too harsh...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom206wrc
No April fool. Some stages are still impossible to complete in 4x4 jeeps so competitors wouldnt have a chance, especially when the UK does not allow studded tyres. In fact the BRC only permits (for this round) a medium compound Pirelli (K6) which would be useless in snow or iceQuote:
Originally Posted by Juha_Koo
OK :( so next rendezvous in may for Pirelli International Rally ;)
I'm sure the event would have gone ahead, even in those conditions, 25-30 years ago (see the 1983 Mintex for an example.)
when drivers had more tyre choice, the 86 National Breakdown lost a lot of stages to snow, its not a new thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
Well, it lost a lot of stages, but it wasn't cancelled completely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nornbugger
The highest parts of the stages were not passable in a 4x4 jeep. Thick ice and snow drifts up to 10ft high leaving it virtually impossible for there to be any safety services or marshals.Quote:
Originally Posted by BDunnell
Someone has a big accident, which is more than possible when there are so many quick young drivers, and emergency services cant get to them because of the ice. What happens then?
And - don't forget - the BRC runners would have been driving through the stages today making notes without helmets in standard cars, possibly without cages or harnesses. Would you want to be responsible for one of them sliding off one of the big drops in those forests?
The decline of rallying to a parody of its former self continues a pace.
Woh,Quote:
Originally Posted by trickydicky
Great insight there.
Were you planning on competing or marshalling at the event?
Studded tyres are illegal in the UK so marshals and due to the fact that the stages were covered in sheet ice the safety crews would not have had access to the higher parts of the stages. And maybe you haven't been to mid-wales before but most of the stages run on high ground so at least 30% of the route would not have had any safety personnel whatsoever.
I used to live in mid Wales, I have driven a large portion of the Dyfnant stage quite a few times, though not in a rally car, and I am aware that most of the stage is over or around 1000ft asl. Most rally stages, forest ones anyway, are high up in this country, coniferous forest plantations tending to be situated in moorland areas, rather than town centres. Most of Kielder is also over 1000ft, Radnor nudges 2000ft.Quote:
Originally Posted by catty
There are many many instances where rally's have taken place in the British Isles following snow storms. The RAC Rally's of 1971, 1985, 1993 and 1996 being fairly obvious examples. In all of those instances studded tyres were not allowed, in all of those instances the stages went ahead anyway, barring a few in 1971 I think where cars got stuck and the stage blocked, somewhere near Aviemore. The first couple of stages of 1996 were on stages with fairly deep, albeit soft, snow cover. It accounted for a few of the favourites, Kankunnen and Vatanen being 2, Schwarz was the only decent car left running, and Stig Blomqvist ended up third in a hamster powered Skoda. It created an interesting story, now of course there can be no interesting stories, because rallying has become a sanitized joke.
Are you sure they were not using studded tyres on those occasions? I am not sure either but I believe there were allowed to use studded tyres back then. The videos I have seen at least from 1993 show that the cars have good traction in snow ice conditions that with a control tyre would not have been possible.
Yes I am sure, I am not aware of any instances where studded tyres were allowed on the RAC Rally. They shred roads, and as the roads were privately owned i'm guessing that's why they weren't allowed.Quote:
Originally Posted by makinen_fan
On the Swedish Rally in 1973 (I think) studded tyres weren't allowed. A rally 100% on snow and ice. It was a bit of a farce and they had to push some cars off the start lines, but it did happen!
But the snow wasnt the problem. The sheet ice was.Quote:
Originally Posted by trickydicky
Can you imagine trying to descend Gartheinog (probably wrong spelling I know) on sheet ice with absolutely no grip and a sheer drop on one side the whole way?
That wouldnt be rallying, it'd be suicide
And while your knowledge of the location of forests is quite impressive, you just decided to skip acknowledging the fact that safety crews and marshals would not have been able to access the higher areas. Then again maybe you think another rallying death would be a good way to start the year?
I agree that safety crews having no access to certain areas is an issue, and this event wouldn't have had the resources and man-power that the RAC would have had in the day I suppose.Quote:
Originally Posted by catty
On a completely different note I have just been watching videos of Romain Dumas in his Porsche 997 GT3 RS in the French Rally Championship over the last couple of years; and I've just read the entry list for the Lyon-Charbonnieres Rally. It strikes me that the difference between the French organizers and ours is that they want as many cars to compete as possible, and for the events to be as watched and popular as possible, without worrying about the various different classes and rule changes of the last 15 years. I can't imagine a GT3 RS would be much of a gravel car, but if there was even half a chance of seeing one on the Manx or Ulster I'd be ordering my ferry tickets now.
2013 Pirelli driver Mark Donnelly will discover his car in rallying this coming week-end(Granite City Rally) ;)
He already discovered his new car in Omagh Fivemiletown Spring Rally!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom206wrc
By the way...pre-entrylist Pirelli International Rally can be seen on the official website ;)
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