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Is anything Lewis Hamilton's fault?Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
This is just a ridiculous statement. Hamilton choked catastrophically, ultimately he was the one driving the car and threw away a 17 point lead in two races, both through his own driving errors.
Who knows... It says charity in the articles...Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
Maybe it was arranged prior to Lewis and his party at a bowling alley. From all the crap we have heard from Lewis over the years, you just never know.
As I've said before, McLaren have taken a lot of crap from Lewis over the years.
Would Flavio, Frank or Todt have kept him around after he has humiliated the team and himself time and again??
I really find it humorous that he can whine so much about having a ****ty car and yet moves to a team where he says he is unlikely to win a race next season.
I hope he does better in Mercedes, but I think he won't. Lewis is digging his own grave, I don't think he has experienced the real world or life for that matter. He has been pampered for so long, he has lost touch with how the world works.
Sometimes I really do think he is a candidate for Asperger's syndrome or some other form of high functioning autism. He just doesn't seem to think straight...
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As an almost 50something social media is a daily part of my work life and when used well it is a great means of communicating with customers and friends alike. In these days of PR "management" it's refreshing to see drivers using Twitter to connect with their fans without their comments being pre-approved.
No doubt Lewis will be rather more circumspect from now on, but too often we complain about drivers not showing their personalities for fear of upsetting team & sponsors. We can't have it both ways.
As for the Hamilton/McLaren relationship, it's a fact (according to Nigel Roebuck) that some in the team have tired of much of his behaviour. That's perhaps inevitable given the length of time they've been together and the frustrations of missed opportunities, but even so it's rather sad if the relationship ends on a sour note. Clearly a good time for a divorce, but these last few races will be a bit like staying in the marital home after the partners have decided to split!
Correct. It was inexperience, poor team decisions and just very unfortunate. Not cheated though either as someone said earlier.
Would you show up to a farewell party for a colleague you didn't like?Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
You're a fan of Hamilton and see him in a positive light which is completely understandable. I do the same thing with Ferrari. Other people do not. I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility to think that some members of the McLaren team don't like Hamilton. Throw in the fact that they'd already committed to another event and it's not hard to see why Hamilton's farewell didn't eventuate.
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by donKey jote
I must say first , that your dedication to your favourite driver is truly admirable .Quote:
Originally Posted by truefan72
I must also , though , ask when you will accept that your favourite driver has some serious character flaws that polarize opinion ?
To be fair here , we should notice that the perceived "snub" was the result of the team members having previously signed up for not only another engagement , but one that was for charity .
The issue was not the snub of the Lewis party , but rather that Hamilton clearly , with 16 bowling lanes booked , hadn't been told of the charity event . If the full team wasn't there , it shows that Lewis is definitely no longer a member .
Sure , I look at Lewis from my armchair , as do most of us here , if not all , but I am not at all surprised that he is getting the cold shoulder from the team that gave him so much .
The article mentions that , within the team , Button is universally liked .
That's some contrast .
He's a great driver . He really is .
But , it seems , like his "on screen" personna implies , to some of us anyway , he's also a twit .
As a fan of Lewis , it is not surprising you see a "huge sense of relief" for Lewis and a burn for Mac .
The way I see it is that the Mac team are experiencing that relief , not Lewis .
He , along with being a fast driver , was also a huge liability , to the extent he burdened the team with a layer of handlers to keep him in line .
Even that didn't work , though , and he tweeted telemetry , a cardinal sin in the paddock .
Lewis had 16 lanes of belief that nothing was going on that night , when there are roughly 1000 team members around that might have kept him in the loop .
I would suggest that those he believes are with him , simply , aren't .
Maybe they were good friends with Dave Ryan .
I think so as well. McLaren, I think don't want to win anything with Lewis anymore. My feeling is that they want this season to be over and can't wait to try to win next year with Jenson.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
He doesn't seem very relieved for me IMO. He wanted to say goodbye with victories and now they seem not very likely, although things may change. He might be relieved, but only because he knew that some people in the team do not like them - and they were obviously important. I think that he is insulted that the emotional support of the team went to Jenson. Well, McLaren now will have Jenson as a top driver, so I doubt that they are too unhappy.
I think all sides will be relieved actually to see the end of this season.
Lewis - He will always be grateful to Mclaren for giving him many wins and title in F1 and would have loved to get this years title for him and the team. However with all thats gone on now. I think he will be glad to get to Mercedes and start again.
Mclaren - They would have liked the title I am sure, but haven't really given anyone the impression that they are busting a gut to help Lewis. Its more a case of they would give Lewis the best car possible, but no extra help. I dont believe any sabotage rumors.
They will be looking ahead and planning a Button title assault. They will be happy to forget the last few months, although neither they or Lewis have covered themselves in glory.
Button - He will be glad he hasn't got to play number 2 this year and will surely get a Button friendly car as much as possible for next season.
All in all, Lewis has lost the team through silly rants and incidents and the team have acted in quite a small minded and strangely unMclaren way.
All have blame and all will be happy to see 2013.
I never used twitter by it seems to me the problem is that it's just to easy to use... I mean, if even football players can use it :rolleyes: (not that I don't appreciate the opportunity of being constantly enlightened by their words of wisdom). they should make some changes, have them check boxes, fill forms, chaptcha, enter passwords... the whole deal and by the time they get to actually write something they realize it wasn't that important after all... and for the football players it would be like an IQ based filter.
As for Hamilton... who cares really? Is anyone actually surprised by this? It's just Hamilton at his finest.
And what? Suddenly after Lewis has gone, Jenson will win the championship with Mclaren?Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
Jenson is not winning a championship again unless Mclaren come up with a Brawn GP from 2009 i.e. at least seven tenths to a second faster than the closest competitor AND Ferrari, Red Bull, Lotus & Mercedes all screw up their respective car designs for 2013. Highly unlikely.
Finding the perfect car setup for Jenson to win a race is like sitting in front of a slot machine in a casino every weekend. Put your coin in, pull the lever and pray to hit the jackpot. If not, it's your usual underwhelming midfield run.
Nice. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden
I'm stealing this from you.
Wonderful post, Aki. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by aki13
Time will tell what will happen. But the Brawn did enjoy their advantage only in the first third of the season and it was not 7 tenths of a second... Red Bull were quite competitive since Oz, but Vettel crashed in Kubica in race 1 and got a grid penalty for race 2, so he was unable to show his true pace.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden
Brawn won 8 out of the 17 races in 2009, that's almost half of the races. It's not the car's fault that Jenson pretty much sucked in the second half of the season and Rubens did a better job. Judging by recent form, any of the top tier drivers, i.e. Alonso or Lewis would have wiped the competition clean in that car.Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
Button's pole position time in the Brawn was 6 tenths quicker than Vettel's Red Bull at Australia. Alonso or Lewis very well could have squeaked a couple of tenths more. So yes, that car was mighty quick.
I know you're a Button fan and all boat, but let's face it, he's a fair weather driver and lacks the ability of an Alonso or Hamilton to drive around setup issues. Setup wise he hit the jackpot twice this year at Australia and Belgium. The rest of the time where was he really? Finishing out of the points multiple times, whereas Lewis has been racking up pole positions and been near the podium almost all the time, and would have had four wins this year, and still in the title hunt, if not for the Singapore DNF and Mclaren pit stop brain farts throughout the year.
Mclaren better pray and hope that Perez is the next Senna and all the brilliance he's been showing is not just down to the Sauber, and that Button learns to adapt his driving style around setup issues, or else it looks highly likely they're in for another long, dry spell as far as WCC and WDC goes.
For that "assault" to happen, Mclaren will have to give Button a ridiculously fast and easy handling car. Good luck to them!Quote:
Originally Posted by aki13
Button never had to play number 2 during his time at Mclaren, ever. If anything, MW has been accused by Mclaren fans of favoring Button over Lewis.Quote:
Originally Posted by aki13
This year's car was Button friendly. It's just that Button struggles with setup issues, always has, and is not consistent enough over a season.
I don't believe for a second that an F1 team designs or sets up a car around only one of their drivers, because they're in it for the WCC as well. They're not gonna put all their eggs in one basket to have their second driver (who they are paying millions) struggle to even get into Q3.
I agree with all this. Hamilton has wiped the floor with Button this year. He'd be on for his second WDC now were it now for Singapore, Germany, Maldumbado in Valencia, Japan again not his fault, Bahrain and other pit stop blunders. It's amazing he's only 52 points off the lead.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden
They are already in long dry spell with Lewis... but OK, I forgot, it's never Lewis fault, McLaren sabotage him ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden
Oh well... he also lost one for them the previous year so lets call them even :p
Where did I say Mclaren sabotaged him? Anybody who seriously believes sabotaging theories in Formula 1 is a grade A idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
2011 was clearly an off year for Lewis, but otherwise he's been a solid contender, even getting two victories in a crapola of a car in 2009.
Or are you saying Mclaren have been making championship winning cars all these years and he's not delivering? Well, he's clearly doing much better than Button, so that must mean Button is a God-awful driver.
Couldn't agree more. There have been weekends where he has steamrolled the competition and Button has struggled to even get into top 5.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
Even though Lewis may struggle with Mercedes, but looking at how Mclaren's mistakes have cost him points, I can understand his decision to leave the team.
^ This.Quote:
Originally Posted by henners88
Another point I want to add is that looking at this year's form, both Perez and Button are awful qualifiers, depending more on their race pace. Mclaren are gonna miss Lewis' raw pace to put the car higher up on the grid. There are always chances of more tangling and crashes happening in the midfield.
Oh, you mean his rookie year in 2007? The one where he beat a two-time world champion and almost won the championship in his first year in Formula 1? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Big Ben
Queue in Mclaren sabotaging Alonso theories. Yep, pay him millions, spend millions setting up the car, and then put sand in his fuel pump. Makes perfect sense.
I'm willing to bet Button is going to make Perez look very average next year...Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden
He just might. It's gonna be interesting to see. The Mclaren sure seems to be a harder car on tires compared to the Sauber. Judging by this year's form of both Perez and Button, if Mclaren fail to deliver a spectacular car, they could very well struggle with two very inconsistent drivers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malbec
Yep, unfortunately there are idiots out there who actually believe that McLaren were sabotaging Alonso in 2007. Fact is that Alonso just wasn't good enough to beat the rookie. Hamilton is a great driver and he has shown that on many an occasion. I do believe that Alonso is a better driver now than in 2007, I'm sure Hamilton is as well, and even though Alonso has proven his worth in Ferrari, I'm still skeptical, despite his now seemingly more mature demeanor, about his on his ability to put up with a teammate like Hamilton in 2007 should someone really put it up to him like that again. It's probably the only thing Alonso has left to prove.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden
Actually I think labelling Jenson as inconsistent is unfair. His pace definitely fluctuates but he has an unerring 'get you home' capability to score points wherever he starts from. Also I think he has changed since the tail end of 2009 when I think he found it difficult to not buckle under the pressure of chasing his first WDC.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainRaiden
However I think next season the thing everyone will be thinking will be "what could Lewis have done in that car?".
I wouldn't label him as inconsistent, I think his form is pretty stable. I just think that his form isn't never good enough to drive around issues he has with the car. So yeah, he is consistent form wise, but because he can't raise his game when faced with an unstable car, where he ends up at the end of the weekend can fluctuate massively.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malbec
I'd say 2010 and 2011 were much better years for Jenson consistency wise. 2012 has just been a one sided ass whooping by Lewis unfortunately (in qualifying more so). The way Button has struggled with his car's setup this year has been puzzling to many, including me, because judging from his form in 2011, I thought he would be consistently somewhere around Lewis (if not ahead) this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malbec
That is inevitable every time a top tier driver leaves a team. Just a couple of weeks ago I saw the has-been JV commenting on how Kimi and Romain are underwhelming in the Lotus, and that someone like Alonso or Lewis would have won the championship in that car.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malbec
There will always , at every team , be a number one driver , and a number two .
They will always , at every team , tell each of the drivers they are number one , or at least an "equal" number one . And , neither will like to be told , even , that they are anything but number one , not one "B" , and not the second number one .
But , as with any venture involving human beings , one might be more likeable , as seems to be in Hamilton's case . It would seem Lewis is faster , but they fell out of love with him .
Jensen had his time as a playboy , and is now a good corporate image , whereas Lewis is a lot of work .
Jensen's rep here for not being adaptable is something of which a lot of guys could be accused .
These cars are not easy to drive , and it is very easy to move a design towards one driver's preference , and away from the other's .
Nobody could drive Fernando's Renault like Fernando . Nobody could drive Michael's Ferrari like Michael .
It's not all about being adaptable , if it's your car .
I'm not saying it was necessarily intentional that they made a car that suits the Lewis style , but it seems they did .
It certainly stumped Jensen and his engineers .
Hey , maybe Lewis is a genius , and could win driving a golf cart .
I know Mercedes is hoping so .
By the way , is Lewis doing any tweeting these days ?
I really don't see the front running teams establishing such hierarchy, apart from Ferrari of course. Button and Lewis are free to fight each other as long as they don't crash. We have seen that many times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
Do you have inside knowledge regarding this? Or is it just assumption based on some fantasy world of F1? I don't think an F1 team employs a driver, pays them millions over a multiple years contract, spends a million every race on their car just to get them to act second fiddle. Even a team like Ferrari has only favored one of their drivers who mathematically has a better chance of winning the championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
Good corporate image doesn't win you championships. Speed and consistency wins you championships.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
While that is true, a driver of Button's supposed caliber shouldn't be qualifying outside the top 10 while his teammate is on pole. Or like in Canada, where Lewis is steamrolling the opposition and Button is barely making it to the top 15. Once can be considered a fluke, but if it happens multiple times, that's just unacceptable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
Stumped so bad that it's taking them forever to iron out the problems? Come on, it's a champion team and a former champion driver. Especially at this level of current close competition in F1, such setup "issues" will be the undoing of any serious championship challenge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
Certainly made Jenson look like he's driving a golf cart this year. Can't be that bad?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
Is there something wrong with your space bar?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bagwan
A comparison of Hamilton's finishing position in the WDC to that of his teammate over the duration of his career:
2007
Hamilton - 2nd (109 points)
Alonso - 3rd (109 points)
2008
Hamilton - 1st (98)
Kovalainen - 7th (53)
2009
Hamilton - 5th (49)
Kovalainen - 12th (22)
2010
Hamiton - 4th (240)
Button - 5th (214)
2011
Button - 2nd (270)
Hamilton - 5th (227)
2012
Hamilton - 4th (153)
Button - 6th (131)
The above tells me two things: One, that McLaren haven't contended for a WDC since 2008 (Button's 2nd in 2011 was so far behind Vettel that it didn't matter) and two, that Hamilton has a 4-1-1 win-loss-tie record against his teammates in the WDC over the 6 years of his career. I'm not a Hamilton fan but he's delivered for McLaren in every year but one. He might be a bit difficult at times but he owes McLaren nothing and they will be poorer for his loss.
Again I say - let's wait and see what happens. First of all, I wouldn't say that "he owes McLaren nothing". They gave him the best car in his rookie year and have given him a winning car in EVERY season so far. In 2007 they also gave him their emotional support against Alonso and in 2008 and 2009 made Kovalainen his de facto second driver. He certainly drove well and although he made many mistakes, he managed to win the WDC for them in 2008 which is of course, a great result. But imagine if he was driving a Force India? He might have not won even a single race.
About the mistakes of McLaren. Yes, the team made had many problems with his car. Fans of Lewis however act like this is personal, while it isn't. McLaren have reliability issues with Mercedes since I remember, honestly. They cost many wins to Mika, David, Kimi and Montoya and yes, Button also had retirements. Italy is a fresh example. However, other teams also had numerous problems. I doubt that Lewis would have done better in Ferrari, which since 2007 regularly produce a slower car than the McLaren and since recently made very questionable strategic decisions - one need only to remember the 2010 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix. He would have done better in Red Bull, although the team also had terrible reliability issues in 2010 and sometimes this year. However, Red Bull are happy with Seb. Remember - Lewis is not entitled to the best car of the grid. He is unquestionably one of the best, but not all will agree that he is best of the best.
Finally, about his rivalry with Jenson Button. I think that it is laughable for Lewis fans to be angry that McLaren emotionally supports Jenson, when Lewis benefited hugely from such support against Fernando Alonso. For me, honestly, this is sweet karma. Also, while emotional support is important, I am sure that McLaren have Lewis the best tools they have - as they did to Jenson. Now, Button is not to blame if he is better in strategy or preparing his setup... although when Jenson has setup problems, according to Hami fans it is because he is poor and when Lewis has setup problems it is because team sabotages him. Quite unfair, if you ask me.
In the end you can look to results. The truth is that Lewis did better than Jenson in 2010 and 2012, while Jenson was better in 2011. If you sum the points I think that Lewis has a small advantage. However, if the team feels more comfortable with Jenson, Hami fans should not bash them, but ask why is that so and accept that maybe their favorite driver has a hard character and is not easy to work it. Which is a definite weakness in his armor.
Finally, about what will happen next year. I believe that the combo of Jenson and McLaren will be stronger than Lewis and Mercedes, which will mean that Lewis would have lost more than McLaren, at least in short term perspective. However, as Kimi says, we have to wait and see what happens. Talk is cheap.
I don't ever remember someone indicating they thought McLaren were sabotaging Hamilton. Mind you, I'd have ignored it anyway if they did and there are quite a few users on here whose posts I don't read anymore as they are idiots so I can't claim to have read them all ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
Anyway, even when Hamilton was having a bad year by his standard last year he was still a lot closer to Hamilton than Button is to him today. He has destroyed Jenson this year. The points table might show it as a small different but this is due to 4 DNF's all out of Hammy's control and multiple issues in pitstops. To my recollection, Jenson has had two DNF's this year. One where he was likely to finish second, the other in Korea where he wasn't going to win either. I remember McLaren costing him once in the pitstops once in Bharain (correct me if I'm wrong) so I'm willing to bet he has lost approximately 40 points at most to his real potential in total. On the other hand, you have Hamilton who lost 25 in Singapore, probably a second or third place in Germany (we'll say third), probably a 5th in Valencia, possibly a 3rd in Belgium, and he was on for a 3rd at minimum in Bahrain, and also a ****e pitstop in Monaco. That's a big haul of points he has lost through no fault of his own and although I'm too lazy to calculate all those points lost in total, I'm fairly certain it will reach the 80 mark. Not to mention as well the potential points he has lost in Japan and Korea due to rear suspension issue, you can probably add another 15-20 points on for that. So that's 8 races this year where Lewis was cost points through no fault of his own. Again correct me if I'm wrong on this and if Jenson had some bad pitstops or failures that I don't remember. Hamilton really should have the championship all but sewn up by now or at least be a strong contender.
So maybe Jenson has a bad year this season? If it happened to Lewis, it can happen to Button as well. :) By the way I am not saying that Jenson is a better driver than Lewis. However, I disagree with the idea that he is not a top driver or that he is that much weaker than Hamilton. I think that if it is really difficult for McLaren to properly set up the car for both Hamilton and Button, it might be easier for them to set up the car for Jenson and Perez, who are both gentle to their tyres. This may allow them to fight for the WDC and WCC. That's why I say - let's wait and see what happens :)Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
henners, I have to admit that I visit the Planet F1 site as well and some of the comments I read there are simply astonishing. Here I think nobody makes such conspiracy theories, but I feel that many of you think that McLaren are unfair to Lewis and I don't see how they were unfair to him.
Hawks Stats show really that Lewis is a class act. Matching Alonso in his rookie year then a title. Then 2 of 3 seasons beating teammates.
However it also shows, that Mclaren despite being one of the best teams and producing reguarly fast cars, they haven't really been able push the development on and really 1 drivers title since 1999 is a shocking return.
In 2003 with Kimi they had a chance, but 2005 they were so fast but had realiability issues , then 2007 they should have wobn it. 2008 they did just, but couldn't win the WCC due to Heikki's lower points haul.
2009 had a brilliant car towards the end, but awful to start with.
2010 were in the hunt but faded as others imporved.
2012 felt like they had a chance, but again have faultered.
In the last 13 seasons 1 WDC only. This must be one of Mclarens driest spells ever.
13 Year period before from 1999 to 1987 yielded alot more.
And he gave them his absolute best, being runner up in his rookie year beating a two time WDC, winning them their only championship in 14 years the next year, dragging a crap car in 2009 to two wins, and been a contender every year except 2011. So, yes, they both owe each other nothing. What is your point?Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
I'm sorry but that's just utter claptrap. What is this based on? It seems like you're not watching a high success = money oriented sport, but some fantasy TV drama. Emotional support?? Kovalainen was nowhere near Lewis in qualifying or in races. Did Mclaren instruct him to regularly qualify 1 second slower than Lewis so that he doesn't come in his way? WTF? Are they not interested in winning the WCC, only the WDC? Do you even have a grasp of how much money a team makes for every point scored?? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
Maybe they coddled Lewis with cakes and candies while Heiki was in a corner crying with his cheap solitary candy. Severe lack of emotional support, yes. Maybe lack of "emotional support" was stipulated in Heiki's contract. :rolleyes:
He wasn't even ahead of Lewis ever OR had to make way like Rubens had to for Michael at Austria 2002. I don't understand what's the basis for this rather stupid "de facto second driver" talk? Heiki was sacked/fired from Mclaren because he severely underperformed and was destroyed by Lewis in every area imaginable.
And.... the point being? Tell me which of the current top tier drivers can win the championship driving a Force India? Hamilton was coming to F1, whether in a Mclaren or not, because of the way he blitzed the fields in GP2 and other series.Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
Nobody here on this forum has suggested anything even close to that. You should learn to differentiate between what you read on other websites and what Lewis fans say here, otherwise your posts may come off looking rather stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
Are we stating the obvious here? It's motor racing, equipment failures will always be a part of it. But yes, Mclaren do seem to have the lion's share of mechanical related retirements over the last decade.Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
Why is one of the best drivers on the grid not entitled to one of the best cars on the grid? Every good driver is entitled to the best car on the grid. It's the team's job to provide the driver with the absolute best car, as Ron Dennis has often repeated over the years. Red Bull has been doing an awesome job of it by providing Vettel the best car on the grid for the last three years. Adrian Newey is the real genius there.Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
Yes, and in the next episode of F1 - The Great Conspiracy, Christian Horner is seen having a picnic with Vettel feeding him strawberries and instructing Newey to upgrade Vettel's car with a secret NOS bottle. Mark Webber having seen this, decides to put flatulence pills in Horner's Red Bull. Following these events, Horner ends up passing gas at every TV interview. Everybody laughs and has a merry old time.Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
No, I agree, it is of course not Button's fault he can't drive around setup issues. It is of course Hamilton's fault!Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
Again, which Hami fans are you talking about? Don't generalize against Lewis fans because of those idiots at other websites. It seems like you're confused between the two websites. Quite weird, if you ask me.Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
It is not a small advantage. Yes, Jenson did better than expected in 2011, but he is still comfortably outclassed this year. Lewis has done significantly better than any teammate in his career, bar 2011, and that's because of his brain farts, not Jenson necessarily outperforming him.Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
Also, one thing you need to get straight is that Lewis is leaving Mclaren, not Mclaren getting rid of him. Mclaren tried everything they could, with all their might, to retain Lewis Hamilton, even backtracking on their claim of paying Lewis less. They even made him a bigger offer than what Mercedes was willing to pay him. So, no, they are not "more happy" with Jenson. What they have lost is a top tier driver, and are set to have an average year in 2013 unless they come up with a stonking car.
Your belief is based on what? Rosberg was doing better than Button up to the British Grand Prix, where Mercedes started to lose the development battle to the front running teams. In fact Rosberg was leading the qualifying battle against Button at 6-3, and matching him in the points table and also in victories at 1 each. Now either Rosberg is making that Mercedes look better than it is or Button is making that Mclaren look really bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
Nobody can predict what will happen next year, that's true, but don't be so quick to judge that Button is just going to walk over Lewis. A lot of things can change by March next year. Ross Brawn and his team at Brackley have already committed to a complete redesign of this year's car and are already working on it, with Mercedes backing it with their cash. The last time that happened, Brawn GP happened. So, yes, anything can happen. ;)
OK, Captain, let's have a friendly bet now :) You have your opinion and I have mine. I think that Jenson will outscore Lewis next year :) You agree on a bet? :)
You've got a bet. ;) If Lewis outscores Jenson next year, you will have to carry what I say in your signature for a whole month, and of course vice versa. Bookmark this page. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by F1boat