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Originally Posted by Dr Giacomo Rappaccini
All I saw were the same people who booed the alliance with Israel and the Word God being including in the platform then pretending they are pro-America and religion by propping up a victim for some grandstanding.
Yep....LotsQuote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
Why do you against freedom of choice?
Bwaaaahahahha You funny!Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
Sarcasm.....I get it. You hate the real America and what made it great so you question others.....Funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
Seriously....Why do you hate America, Freedom and the poor?
These are the people of the Democratic party.
These aren't just some schmoes pulled off the street but the duly appointed representatives of party members
Democrats: Let's Ban Profits! - YouTube
How can anybody who has even and ounce of self-respect vote for these people
Why am I not surprised? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
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Originally Posted by Dr Giacomo Rappaccini
Let me guess.....You think she is a "hero"
Opinions about Obama and Carter aside, when I read these opinions of one recent President or another being the worst in history or the best in history, I'm easily reminded of my sig line quote:Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
"Every generation's memory is exactly as long as its own experience." --John Kenneth Galbraith
I doubt an actual historian would put Carter or Obama in the league of Warren G. Harding, Herbert Hoover or Andrew Johnson. My fascination with history tends to be more focused on ancient Rome than on U.S. history. So I'm not any sort of American historian either. But I recall enough American history from my earlier academic years that I wouldn't overstate *relatively* minor events in modern history and compare them to much more major events in the more distant past.
I'm not a huge Obama fan these days either. But I do have to say, for all of the hyperbole and nonsensical hand-wringing that is tossed around concerning the man and his supposed radical beliefs, if this country can't survive under his Presidency, then quite possibly it shouldn't survive anyway. Too many people (on the left and the right) are too caught up in the tempest in a teapot of the here & now, and lack a proper historical perspective, IMO.
No real point, political or otherwise. Just a general observation. :dozey:
That is something a pretentious, pompous, self-serving, person like Galbraith would say. It is because of people like Galbraith and his hatred of personal freedom and personal responsibility and his love of big government and high taxes that we are in the economic problems today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior
I could care less about what "most historians" think. They are the same people who claim the JFK was a great president. Carter easily oversaw the worse 4 years any administration in US history.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior
High unemployment, High Inflation. Gave away US territory, His abandonment of US allies directly led to the world's problem in Iran and the Taliban. He allowed US territory to be invaded and our people held hostage and did little or nothing(Except for some stupid special forces mission that most of the military knew was doomed to failure)
Just tell me one significant, positive thing that happened in his administration. Just one!
Not at all dog, that is why the preface to that original comment said specifically that it was not a political statement. How could you misunderstand my meaning, are you drinking tonight Tony?Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
I only saw how normal she was before some sick fvck blew her head off, and it is sad that she can barely talk, and can barely walk as a result of her brain injury. I would say her husband could be considered a hero by people that practice hero worship, (which I don't) considering that he was pilot, and commander of four space shuttle missions.
Contentless assertions, repeated for years on end is not an answer. It is what it always has been hot air..
Some people, utterly berift on anything resembling ordinary humanity, believe that they can just say "no it's not" and that is discussion..
They are the people destroying this once functioning country..
makes you wonder if its really the geographic location that makes Florida air so hot and miserable.....or if it's the hot air pumped out non-stop by so many there?
Yeah, you da man Vop. A man whose life it is to talk about the trivial accomplishments of people playing, you're a real historian..Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
Must have been just a coincidence that he was chosen to run the entire wage and price control sytem for the country and fooled everybody into thinking he knew something...
But you a salesman got him figured out.
That should have given you the job..
And it must have been a coincidence that the wealth and productivity and position of the USA worldwide was at its highest ever when people were letting this Freedom hating Feds be so involved with the the country's economy. Almost 30 years of record improvements in standard of living, level of education, transportation infrastructure, all getting better year by year..
until it all stalled for most people.
Thankfully, most of the world couldn't care less that you can care less about what most historians think..Quote:
I could care less about what "most historians" think. They are the same people who claim the JFK was a great president. Carter easily oversaw the worse 4 years any administration in US history.
Just how much more could you care less?
Vop I know you're just short of the level needed to instutionionalize people, but rather than repeat your or your masters tired garbage, and thinking that this is an international forum and many here are not life time economic historians like you in your mind imagine you are,
could you tell us why there was high inflation way before and after Carter's term?
The records show that inflation, which was at a moderate 3.25% in Nixon's second term, began to grow much faster sometime after summer of 1971, and really took off in 1972 and jumped way up in the fall of 1973.
You who could care less about most historians position yourself as knowing enough to discount them. So tell the world what was occuring so far earlier than Carters term to cause this inflation.
Unemployent was up at the 535,000 American troops in Viet Nam returned home and additional hundreds of thousands of other military were demobilized while American leadership re-set the goals and searched for targets that the strongest and best equipped military in the world could manage to beat, but if high unemployment was bad in Carters term , why was it equally high in Ford's term, and why aren't you regaling us with your wisdom about how horrible he was?
And where are your contemptuous rantings about Reagan whose terms saw both high unemployment and high inflation and, until he raised taxes several times, stagnation?
High unemployment, High Inflation. Gave away US territory, His abandonment of US allies directly led to the world's problem in Iran and the Taliban. He allowed US territory to be invaded and our people held hostage and did little or nothing(Except for some stupid special forces mission that most of the military knew was doomed to failure)
Just tell me one significant, positive thing that happened in his administration. Just one![/QUOTE]
Is there any media outlet that doesn't do exactly that?!Quote:
Originally Posted by FIAT1
Yep, thought a lot about that and the conclusion is that there is something rotten in the system if you have to go through all that pain to start a little business.Quote:
Originally Posted by FIAT1
In Europe you have more freedom and support if you want to start a little business.
Ok, than open buisness there, but don't come here and tell me that my house stinks. I love it here, I love the system and yes I have made choice to work double and go through the pain of running the business, and I don't mind ,but what I do mind is others tell me what to do with it. I do mind when I'm told I didn't build it. When this election theater is over, there is gona be a man standing doing what he always does ,going to work traying to help his buisness ,his country and fellow man on the principle of his character, not because political party faithful told him do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Holy Hyperbole!Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
What does one do when they cannot actually defend their beliefs.....? Do what janvanvurpa does and personally attack those who dare question you.
Sure it is cliche and predictable but those who agree with you aren't actually free thinks anyway so you have nothing to lose.
The really sad part is that it is those on the left who have no humanity and actually believe they are helping people with their self-serving policies. They say the want to help the poor but then enact policies that only raise costs. They say they are fighting racism and then they everything they can to prevent a level playing field. They claim they want to jump start the economy but then they strangle small businesses with over regulation and cronyism.
And you have it in the U.S. always have. Those who claim otherwise are just ignorant or greedy. The issue is that the incumbent wants to leave it that way, and the challenger wants to take away those systems. It's simple brainwashing, which you and any other educated person understands and can see through. At the bottom it is really racism rearing its ugly head. The government is and should help it's citizens, and many people are too anti American to care for their countrymen.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Yep,when everything else fails, race card comes in to play. Typical .Play the class warfare card.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Giacomo Rappaccini
If you don't think that a lot resistance to this president is racially motivated it may me be that you were abducted by aliens and had your brains jettisoned at a close proximity to Uranus. I dare say I am in a class well of above yours so that has nothing to do with it. Do you know that in the Book of Morman it states that the darker your skin is the more evil you are. Why don't you read the doctrine of the religion of the man you are supporting, or maybe not why don't you just get back to me after the election and we can go from there
It's in the book.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starter
but you are right it is not that simplistic. as it could be argued that support of Obama is racially motivated. What do you say to a large part of his constituancy that continue to argue that he was not even born in America. That is what I'm talking about.Quote:
And [God] had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them. And thus saith the Lord God; I will cause that they shall be loathsome unto thy people, save they shall repent of their iniquities." (2 Nephi 5:21)
That includes cutting taxes of the richest Americans? I own a business in California I see no excessive bureaucratic hurdles. What we have are disappearing jobs many just through automation. Times are changing we have to all realize that it is tumultuous even inevitable. It is not a reason to oppose low interest rates on student loans so we have a level field for the jobs of the future. It’s called investing in your country. We will work through it even though it may be awkward. At any rate it has been an interesting exchange I'm going on the road and will try to keep up with the conversation, see ya.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starter
No matter how one might characterize the man, I believe that that particular quote is quite true. It's very common for people to be blind to the past and not have an historical perspective as they judge the relative importance of events over time. People just have this tendency to overstate the importance of the time in which they live... because that's all they really know. That's all Galbraith was trying to express and I believe that several of the comments in this thread give credence to the accuracy of that statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
Not all historians (or even most) are on the same page about every President. They have their opinions and you have yours. But (and no offense intended) I would say that actual historians are probably a good deal more objective and less biased than you, as they rank various Presidents.Quote:
I could care less about what "most historians" think. They are the same people who claim the JFK was a great president.
Ah yes, but I hear Galbraith's quote playing just now. ;) If you actually believe that, then I suggest you do a bit of comparative reading on the Andrew Johnson administration, and especially that of Herbert Hoover.Quote:
Carter easily oversaw the worse 4 years any administration in US history.
I'll see your Jimmy Carter and raise you a George W. Bush. :dozey:Quote:
High unemployment, High Inflation. Gave away US territory, His abandonment of US allies directly led to the world's problem in Iran and the Taliban. He allowed US territory to be invaded and our people held hostage and did little or nothing(Except for some stupid special forces mission that most of the military knew was doomed to failure)
I'll give you a couple - at no extra charge: the Camp David Agreement, where he brought together Israel and Egypt. Also, the creation of 8 million jobs during his administration. George W. Bush was actually the first President since Herbert Hoover to experience a net loss of jobs over the course of his administration. Every administration has some positives, Anthony - even if the net is a negative.Quote:
Just tell me one significant, positive thing that happened in his administration. Just one!
I'm not a fan of Jimmy Carter or his administration. But in comparison to where George W. Bush took the country by the time he left office and where it was when Carter left office, I believe Bush wins the Donkey of the Race trophy pretty easily... if we go by actual data and facts.
But my point remains: through good administrations and bad ones, a truly great nation survives and eventually prospers. That's the way it has always been for the U.S. and that's the way it will always be... until the people of this republic stop believing in themselves, and they allow the republic to fold up and die. In times of adversity, my grandfather often said this: "the same heat that melts butter, tempers steel."
So IMO, it really just comes down to whether the people of this nation (current and future generations) are butter or steel. IMO, we have waaay too many Chicken Little types these days, who are predicting that the sky is falling whenever things aren't going exactly the way they think they should be. They are butter. They are weak. They are in the way.
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Originally Posted by Dr Giacomo Rappaccini
Thank you for the heads up, I will make sure to stay away from the beach and tanning salon just in case Romney wins I don't want to be in trouble.
You are either lying or blind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Giacomo Rappaccini
Right now Amazon is experiencing a surge in sales to California due to the new internet sales tax law they have imposed.
HA 100's of Billions of $$$ wasted to buy a false peace only to have Sadat Assassinated along with any hope of Democracy taking root in Egypt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior
Try againQuote:
Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior
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And who was it that assassinated Sadat... and why did they do that? ;) The Camp David Peace Accord was seen as a very positive and significant thing, no matter how it turned out for some of the individual players. As for your belief/opinion that hundreds of billions were wasted, that's fine. But let's compare that supposed number (which I doubt is correct) to the actual costs of Operation Iraqi Freedom: approximately $825 billion through FY2012. There is also the question of $10-$15 billion in American cash that is yet to be accounted for, sent over by the Bush Administration, that is apparently floating around in someone's pocket in Iraq. This nation-building exercise has turned out to be the second costliest "war" in American history, just behind World War II. And for the record, I am very much in favor of slashing ALL foreign aid, including that to Israel. It's time for others to pull their own weight, without relying on the American taxpayer.Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
So anyway, the (factual, data based) evidence mounts: W. Bush brought us the second costliest war in American history and the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression. Our pal, George W.: Winna, winna, chicken dinna! :bounce:
That's nice but it doesn't have anything to do with the fact that I posted: there were approximately 8 million jobs created during Carter's administration. You wanted one single positive and I gave you a positive. If 8 million jobs had been created during W. Bush's administration (instead of a net loss), I would also list that as a positive for him. So no, no need for me to try again. I gave you what you asked for the first time. :)Quote:
Instead of complaining about my criticism you should read it, understand it, discuss it and possibly try to improve what you have, because by all accounts it is far from good enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by FIAT1
Or you can continue complaining and live with the illusions that all is fine.
BTW, here it isn't perfect either, we know it and try to improve it.
I will gladly produce the legal documents of my Sole Proprietorship. I'm not blind, although I do require reading glasses ;) That law arguably has taken the fun out of making purchases over the internet. It is tempered with a lowering of said sales tax, but then again it may reduce the rate of obesity, something I think you should be addressing as I have seen your webcast.......Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop
:o :arrows: :laugh:
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Originally Posted by ioan
Read again, I have said I love it here, I love the system and yes I have made choice to work double and go through the pain of running the business, and I don't mind ,BUT WHAT i DO MIND FOR OTHERS TELLING ME WHAT TO DO WITH IT and I do mind when I'm told I didn't build it. When this election theater is over, there is gona be a man standing doing what he always does ,going to work traying to help his buisness ,his country and fellow man on the principle of his character, not because political party faithful told him do so.
BTW there's plenty of advice here that is irrelevant to my life and interest including yours. Thanks all pass..
What you didn't get is that I did not criticize you, it all started when I said that the freedom you think you have in the USA is an illusion and that there is more freedom elsewhere.
Not sure why you took it personally, but then again that is your issue not mine.
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Originally Posted by Starter
Oh but that's where you are wrong. and that's fully understandable because you really don't know anything about even this country really much less any other country..
There are lines waiting to get in almost everywhere.
France, UK, Canada, Germany, Italy, NL, Sweden, Finland, even Russia, even in People's Republic of China, into various other American countries from others. that's because there is , except some real desperate places, always somewhere better.
We are in the midst, worldwide, of the largest migrations of people in history.
So, it's not just the USA..
(Once again the shortsighted, Americo-centric conceit that gets our country in trouble everywhere is displayed...Amazing really in this day of the WORLD Wide Web.)(I guess it proves the insular, and unaware world view that is prevalent in this still great Country)
Jan, In Baseball Parlance:Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
"You just went yard"
Elsewhere perhaps ,but rest assured I love and I'm content with my illusion of the freedom in my country and would never be tempted to exchange it for any other, especially for the country whos flag you're waving, therefore I don't see a need for you knocking on my door and giving me a lecture on the matter .Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Hear hear. Now, if some of the brain-dead knee-jerk reactionary right-wing media trolls in my country can get a handle on this concept, as it relates to the immigration debate in Australia, maybe some sanity and compassion might result? I am still refraining from holding my breath, however.Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
You have yet to post one thing positive to come out of the Carter Administration. The Camp David Accords just legitimized Islamo-Fascism and those job numbers were false.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior
Try again.
Seriously?Quote:
Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
You are comparing people strolling across unguarded borders with the tens of 1000's every year trying to legally enter the USA and the Millions who risk life and limb crossing desserts and oceans?
Like most of those on the left Logic escapes them
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I see. No Anthony, no more "try again". I don't waste my time posting facts to people who deny facts. 2+2 doesn't equal 4 if one insists on not believing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonyvop