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If you've got a spare 13 and a half minutes there's a good technical piece on the BBC website with Gary Anderson explaining some details of the new McLaren.
It's also to note that sometimes a notepad and a pen can be more useful than a 103" HD Skypad!
BBC Sport - Gary Anderson deconstructs the new McLaren MP4-27
Only if it goes like it looks! If it is a winner, it'll be beautiful.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
Bloody hope it is quick, cos it looks like a bulldog chewing a wasp!
That one where they changed from a low nose to the raised nose half way through the year was pretty bad (with the raised nose)Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
Wasn't that when they also had those tall head protection areas that were taller than something really tall?Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
The new Ferrari looks like something made from lego............ugly, just ugly. I really hope that these stepped nose cars are slow.
WT
Ferrari could have cleared the snow at Maranello with that car!!
It'd clear an auditorium in no time - fugly!Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
It's a BOBNOC
Yes I agree, unlikely I think. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, last year's McLaren already had a nose that was lower than most others and already quite close to this year's dimensions. That's why they haven't needed to put a step in. If they didn't think a super-high nose was necessary last year, I can't see them bringing in a compromise stepped nose this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
Any criticism of the Caterham is forgiven after seeing that Ferrari, that thing is vomit inducing
I suppose I'm the only one who likes the Ferrari. It's just that any F1 car painted in rosso corsa looks great to me.
By the way, what do you think about the Ferrari's front push-rod suspension? It's rather strange, isn't it?
If the Ferrari is as fast as it is ugly, do you think it will create a new world record for the ugliest car ever to win the championship?
The 1979 312T4 was described by Enzo Ferrari s the ugliest car he'd ever built. It won both championships.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
Do you mean the 1996 F310? Schumi managed to drag 3 wins out of it but was neither fast nor pretty.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
I hope that the new car does the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkmoon
Very strange - given that is pull-rod not push-rod. Last team to do that at the front....?Quote:
Originally Posted by N4D13
Minardi!
Yes, this one:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkmoon
http://static.blogo.it/motorsportblog/f310b.JPG
Gee, thanks - I just brought up a little bit of sick........Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
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Originally Posted by Dave B
If you don't have 13mins to spare: Launch Analysis: McLaren Mercedes MP4-27 | Scarbsf1's Blog
Even with high front end chassis concept apparently there's minimal CoG benefit with pull rod design.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
The only rumour proven correct: Ferrari are blowing their rear brake ducts!
Here you can see the exhaust are pointing to the rear brake ducting and the intricate duct cum diffuser
http://a.yfrog.com/img877/2949/cwwoe.jpg
http://a.yfrog.com/img738/19/wunqs.jpg
http://scarbsf1.files.wordpress.com/...2_rbd_blow.jpg
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Also blowing the rear brake ducts is an avenue worth exploring. The exhaust geometry doesn’t work quite so well in this area. Brake duct vanes, which we have seen proliferate over the past few years are allowed to be 120mm inboard of the rear wheel, roughly in line with the wheel and can protrude forwards the front perimeter of the tyre. But as some of the brake duct is ahead of the rear axle line there is less surface to blow on.
This might still be better than rear wing blowing, as the downforce is produced directly on the unsprung wheel, rather than passing through the suspension. The benefits of this over rear wing blowing would need a simulation to establish the better path.
Practicalities of heat shielding the rear brake ducts are already understood from EBDs which already apply of the exhaust plume over their surfaces. Also tricky would the positioning of the brake cooling snorkel, but again this is not insurmountable.
http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/2011/1...blown-effects/
Well, at least with only half the races on the box this year I only have to look at these ugly munters for ten races. :-/
I know it shouldn't matter what a car looks like, but it so does.
A F1 car is very much like a woman, unless she looks pretty you're unlikely to want to take her for a ride.
Sometimes, any port in a storm!! :)
Every season when the new cars come out I find it strange that you guys either love or repulsed by the look of these machines. I actually find nearly all F1 cars to be pretty ugly which is a pity... but hardly surprising when its main design aims dictated by being purely functional with astheticly pleasing design aspects probably the very last thing on the agenda. I apreciate a fantastic design which offers a performance advantage but thats all it is.
Am I alone in this?
I would agree they've all been pretty ugly since about 1968.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zico
All relative I guess. The 2012 McLaren is no E-Type, but it's a looker compared to the Ferrari.
So sue me if this has already been posted - but now being an avid Marca fan (Barca) - it also has FA news and it offered this view of the new and last year's Ferrari.
Compara el nuevo Ferrari F2012 con su antecesor - MARCA.com
* be sure to slide the bottom bar when offered the option.
'89 Ferrari, '91 Williams & Jordan, '93 McLaren and '95 Ferrari were all beautiful cars.......Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyL
All in the eye of the beholder... personally I think wings look much better on birds and aeroplanes than on cars :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
yep, I think it was the B version of the 96 car. Still a beauty compared to this abomination.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
+1..Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyL
Always liked the 88 Rial, Doesn't equate to speed though.
this Ferrari is really nice...
if you compare it to 1995 McLaren
I hear that what we saw is not the nose McLaren is going to race with. It would a have a nose "a la" Ferrari as well. The are waiting until the last minute 'cause they might have a "little" secret they don't want anybody to see it.
I can remember a fewQuote:
Originally Posted by The Black Knight
in the late 70's early 80's
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3250/3...006_z.jpg?zz=1
I agree, I'd be a bit worriedQuote:
Originally Posted by Hawkmoon
Good joke! Now where's the real Ferrari?
Anyone noticed that the Ferrari F2012 has pull-rod front suspension? I believe the last Ferrari F1 car to use this front suspension geometry was their 1987 / 1988 car!
I'm fine with the new cars, might look a bit like lego, but then again something different and unique. :) For some reason Ferrari reminds me 2009 Renault, which was a very bulky car. But I got used to the "lego Renault" back then, so no worries any more. I think the most important thing here is that finally Ferrari has gone aggressive with a so-called 'clean sheet' design, while in previous seasons they have mostly had "evolutions" and not really shone as a result. We'll see if this pays off.
Force India looks nice, also the stepped nose fits well into design. I hope it is fast too, I think their targeted top5 in WCC is certainly achievable, considering progress shown last year.
But I find intriguing that McLaren is the only team so far, who has gone via an alternative route. Will it pay off or not? Eager to find out. At least we have some variety in design philosophies and it will make the development race an exciting challenge throughout the season.
I haven't seen any links posted for the new Force India so here is one: Force India unveil 2012 car as Paul di Resta takes to Silverstone track | Mail Online
I'm not a fan of how Ferrari have acutely angled the sidepods. I think that is the most ugly aspect of the car. The nose is awful and, in my opinion, Force India have made it blend nicer into the shape of the car. I quite like the Force India.
The first test will be interesting.
In what way?Quote:
Originally Posted by 52Paddy
McLaren U shaped sidepods is influential even if it supposedly has little effect on the current cars.
There's a very subtle U curvature on the top profile, whereas McLaren's slope downwards.
Force India's sidepods are plain, simple undercut and nothing adventurous.
I've just seen the new Ferrari on the BBC F1 website. I'm surprised it has the stepped nose like the Caterham. I would have thought that Ferrari would have at least put form closer to function on the list of priorities, but anyway, let's see how it performs in the races.
:-)
(Humour) Ferrari unveil their new car
The F1 Times | (Humour) Ferrari unveil their new car
Haha! Now that is funny! :-)