It seems every driver needs time except two Sebs, they had speed straight from the box.
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It seems every driver needs time except two Sebs, they had speed straight from the box.
That's seemingly true, but they both arrived on the WRC scene quite late (compared to Latvala, for example). Ogier is now 28, and Loeb didn't really win anything before that age.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
how could? do you know when he started?Quote:
Originally Posted by studiose
Age 20-21?Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Isn't that the other way around ?Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
Sorry cali, I just couldn't resist :p :
Our languages are so similar that this should not be too hard ;) so yeah, I can speak finnish quite fluentlyQuote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
But I understand what you're referring to ;)
The problem of course is that similar sounding words mean different things in Finnish and Estonian. "T***, jääd hiljaks" (F*** it, you're late) -- "(Swear word), jäit hiljaiseksi" (F*** it, you're quiet).Quote:
Originally Posted by cali
So I think A.F.F. can be forgiven. :)
yes, but he had won cup jeunes at France.Quote:
Originally Posted by studiose
Not sure if it is what you're refering to but Loeb failed twice at the Peugeot Rallye Jeunes operation. According to the jury he was quick but not enough... consistent.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Good for him he didn't give up then.
About Tänak, he has to make very good use of a top rally car in a short period of time, while it lasts.
he came to final twice,once he lost,and other time was winner,but decided to give the trophy to another competitor cause he started after dark.Quote:
Originally Posted by Karukera
I was disapointed with Tänak, i have to say. Judging by his speed in the S2000 last year, i expected him to challenge for stage wins. (on the real stages)
I agree with you J.Lindstroem after loads of people seemed to want him in the Ford factory seat alongside JML. I thought that maybe I'd missed something and that he was a much better driver than I had thought myself.
It seemed I was right (along with many others) and they were wrong! Where are the people who said Tanak should be in the official Ford team now? Probably the same people who say Petter has been too slow so far...
Guy is no worse then Latvala at this stage of carrier. When remember those tears in Germany and all crashes, this bloke is not bad. But he can wipe a** to Ogier.
dont be in a rush to make conclusions.There are so many thinks that can be wrong.Wait and be patience with youngsters.We ll see at more rallies for safe conclusions.
i ve said it again,s2000 cars are more human for a good driver,wrc cars are not ''human'' for everybody.
If he'll have budget to compete in 10 years plan, he could be winner.
My thoughts exactly, he is a very good driver, just not ready for a factory seat when theres JML, Petter, Loeb and Hirvonen.Quote:
Originally Posted by pettersolberg29
But the futures bright for Tanak I am sure, good things may take a while, but they will follow!
Nice story. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
In real, he managed the best time in the 1995 finale but failed to impress the jury by his lack of consistency. In 1996, although dominating the series he spun in the last round in the finale and was disqualified.
nice story?Quote:
Originally Posted by Karukera
That was in 1995, Sebastien was 21 and he needed 100 francs (almost £10) to enter for the race. So he scraped his pennies together and won the regional selection as well as the final of Le Castellet but his closest opponent, who started the event after dark was declared winner.
In 1996, he failed the final again. But he didn't mind, Sebastien was sure of his skills but the hardest part was still to be done : he had to find the money to try to start a career.
Site officiel de Sébastien Loeb - Sébastien
I think Tänak is promising driver. He IS very young as you've mentioned, why won't we give him time.
Like till the end of first stage in Mexico?Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
Why only Mexico? You're too impatient :DQuote:
Originally Posted by DonJippo
I was one who suggested Tanak was an exciting young prospect in contrast to Petter's being past his use by date. I'm still here and not sure than anything we've seen necessarily alters that view. Petter has picked up one podium (albeit 3 minutes in arrears) and one near miss in two specialist events he could've been expected to do well at. The season is young .... and the gravel is coming.Quote:
Originally Posted by pettersolberg29
This can mean only good news for Petter IMO!Quote:
Originally Posted by sollitt
So if you were Malcolm Wilson would you replace Petter with Ott now if you could? Petter came 3rd and won 4 stages in by far and away his weakest rally (not one he's expected to do well in at all), and would have come 3rd in Sweden if not for a stray rock, beating Loeb and Ostberg, a guy who almost won the rally last year. Sweden has never been very strong for Petter, and he has had only 2 days in the car on snow before the event! To say Petter could have been expected to do well so far is wrong - this is his best ever return from the first two events of a season ever! Tanak meanwhile has shown very little pace bar one stage in Sweden and has crashed a couple of times already! With gravel coming I can only see Petter increase the gap to Ott and push on for wins and podiums. Yes, Tanak is the better long-term option but for anyone to suggest he was a better option for 2012 is a little bit naive in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by sollitt
Also his team mate has had some good results so far...
I am believer of the adage that "you make your own luck", however I do think that Petter's results this season have, to some degree, come on the back of others failings.
As for how he fares on the gravel, time will tell. I have always been a fan of Petter and am happy to stand corrected.
Take it easy, anyone who thought that Tänak was better suited for the second seat at Ford was either fanboy or out of their minds. It's too early and lack of experience has been evident on last rallyes.
Calm down Cali, we had this debate some months ago and nobody will recall who said what. I've just answered PS29's challenge to those who liked Tanak during that debate. No one else has been brave to do so. Let's keep the personal **** to yourself. Last season Tanak showed very strong ability and there are many who believe the sport needsexciting new blood for a shakeup ... that is all.
Sure but the other side of the story is that Bernardi was younger and the jury found him more mature and consistent for the Volant Peugeot 106 drive.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Googling the web or the press in his language will show that the official story is unanimously reported by witnesses, journalists or people actually involved in the sport at that time.
Interestingly, this is where his Rally time begins.
Now back to Ott Tänak. :)
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/j...wood/Loeb1.jpg
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/j...wood/Loeb2.jpg
So Loeb from starting with rally - Champion.......... 9 years plan :D
Let us give these youngsters some time to shine :)
You have seriously misunderstood my post. I'm very calm and in my mind was not personal towards nobody. Chill, man!Quote:
Originally Posted by sollitt
i still try to find where Loeb had failed according to your statement you wrote.How you can fail when you reached the final at 2 years?
The only fail i see, is from the jury that saw Bernardi more consistent.
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Originally Posted by Karukera
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Originally Posted by Karukera
I am not making a statement, i quote the facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
And if i am saying anything it's that the situation is highly ironical.
Just imagine the faces of the jury when he started to win rallies on a regular basis, when he became Champion de France, to the pinnacle of becoming world champion once, twice...5, 6, 7, 8...
Priceless :)
Oi, I was a Tanak for Ford proponent too. Let's see what the season brings at the end unfair to judge anyone after 2 rallies. Just as stupid as those saying that JML was unable to produce the goods after MCQuote:
Originally Posted by sollitt
He never was champion of france he was gravel champion of france.Quote:
Originally Posted by Karukera
Actually I think he did won the French Championship in 2001...Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
If it wasn't 'cos of Martin, Tanak would never be third driver at ford.
Your point being?Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
Kyllähän pätkän loppuun pitää katsoa :DQuote:
Originally Posted by DonJippo
Nothing special. You're Finn so you know that there's at least five Finns with his abbilities.Quote:
Originally Posted by DonJippo